You'd be amazed. From time to time there is somebody who posts something very thought provoking. Starman does that often. And, I believe Pandasex posted something thought provoking lately...haven't had a chance to really read it yet or digest it.
The rest of the usual banter...ah, either ignore it...or get out your frustration out against the other side. Define the other side as you choose. Same 'ol same 'ol.
Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky