The Black Vault

Amazing, close to 3 pages in and not one person has addressed the actual subject of the thread.

Here's a hint: it has nothing to do with killing in the name of religion or atheism, it's about the double-standard of the use of the term "militant atheist", hence the thread title.

Tell the truth, did anyone real the article in its entirety, or were you just looking for keywords to set you off on rants?

greeney2 wrote:That is exactly the analogy Humphreys is trying to make with the "Devout Christian", who murdered the abortion doctor.

Nope, you still didn't read the article. Try again?

The Christians labeled "devout" are just the vocal ones, the murderer was labeled as a "militant". Again, that is the double-standard the thread is about.

Vocal Christian=devout
Vocal atheist=militant

Where religion is concerned the term "militant" is saved only for the unfavoured violent minority, however, some believers are happy to throw it around where atheists are concerned when they are merely vocal and/or enthusiastic.

Get it yet?

At least admit you appreciate the ACTUAL point of the thread? Anyone? If anyone responds by taking issue with the examples of religious violence presented or disagrees whether these people should be considered Christian they clearly DID NOT GET IT.

Humphrey's,

Get it yet?

No ...I don't get it. It doesn't make good nonsense to those of us who can think further than a sound bite or a commercial interruption.

The article is from Psychology Today. Surely you jest Humphreys??

Psychology..from the root word Psyche...Greek....meaning soul.

This is religion Humphreys.

Don't you know that??

It is just couched in so called scientific wording to make it look good and moral. I am always careful when reading material from Psychologists...Intellects.

This Humphreys.... is where the scientific/psychological community is heading by logic ..by reason...by wisdom..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... s-say.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2853811/posts

http://www.therightscoop.com/oxford-aff ... -abortion/

Atheism is big on logic, reason, intellect. Do these articles sound like they are done by intellect?? I don't think so Humphries. I think they are done by people desiring to play god and then quickly go to the next step...to encompass all humans. By logic and reason/intellect of course.

One need not be a genius to draw this line to it's so called.."reasonable" conclusion/goal.

Furthermore Humphreys...The article uses America. Atheists do not do well here in American in positions of power...though they are working very hard to move into these positions..privily..secretly ...without most Americans knowing it is happening. But some of us can see it...increasingly taking place in Washington D.C. and in our respective states...through the route of Public Education...designed to turn out Atheists....in droves...exactly as is the English Public School System designed to do.

Articles like this in Psychology Today and other periodicals avoid mentioning what happened in Europe and particularly in the great experiment of human reasoning..logic and reason.."The State is god"..as Hegel was to say.

I speak here of the Internationale..or what eventually became Soviet Russia..the godless state...where the logic and reason of the state was to run everything...into the ground. Where human life held little value next to the reasoning of the state.

The very system of logic and reason currently being attempted to move forward quickly here in America...before Americans themselves catch on.

And the UK is moving quickly in this direction with the USA slated to follow suit..by logic ..by reason...by intellect.

Atheism is and always has been a world wide movement. And it recent times ..it has shown it's fruit to those schooled in it. All these articles try to do is put the onus on carefully selected readings...of a time warp nature...to put everyone in their blocks..while avoiding the whole of history once again.

No Humphreys..I don't get it.

I keep telling you and EV you need more practice.

Oh..speaking of practice..I want to take time to point this out about "privily" stealthy ...carefully done to and on those not aware of how this is pulled off on those not schooled in it.

Watch this example of brainwashing and indoctrinating.

From the UK Telegraph article about killing babies after they are already born.

The journal’s editor, Prof Julian Savulescu, director of the Oxford Uehiro Centre for Practical Ethics, said the article's authors had received death threats since publishing the article. He said those who made abusive and threatening posts about the study were “fanatics opposed to the very values of a liberal society”.

What you get here in articles like this is the carefully worded and positioned view that " liberal" is now normal and must be accepted and defaulted through by everyone.
Here we have irony in that "liberals' promoting the killing of babies after they are born is normal and acceptable based on the grounds they describe in the article.....and they are concerned about threats to the writers of the articles?? Astonishing to me. You have to go to public school to get so dumb you no longer see the nonsense...or what does not make good nonsense.

The lesson here is that "liberalism' is the new normal...and everything else must conform....ie..."The State is god."

This slippery slope was started years go...under the guise of women's health issues..that abortion was for the health of the woman. Most of it has been for getting rid of unwanted babies...ie..contraception...not for the health of the woman per se. Now it is morphing into killing of babies after they have been born. For the health of the woman of course...translate that as winning the woman's vote.....and whatever else they want to tack onto it. It will continue to morph into getting rid of all "Undesirables" at any age.

By logic ..by reason...by intellect. Same as Psychology Today and Atheism.

And the history of Atheists who come to positions of power..is clear...by Russia, by China and others. You dont have to go back far into time..ie...time warp to point this out. Recent history will do.

They actually want to compare the death of An abortion doctor to militantism...when they are killing millions by this process. Astonishing to me.

I am not condoning the death of an abortion doctor here. Just as is Humphreys doing ...showing the double standard and where this same double standard will go in the future.

For I knew many years ago...that by logical, reasonable, intellectual extension...this abortion business will be extended..by logic and reason..to the living...after birth. To dispose of those living...as quoted in line one of the Georgia Guidestones. And that this is a UN Mandate taking place.

This psychology article is out of the same stable of poor nonsense.


Thanks,
Orangetom

Oh dear, the silliest response yet from our resident looney, orangetom.

The psychology website the article is posted on has zero relevance to the subject matter at hand.

These attempts to avoid addressing the double-standard are beyond ridiculous.

Some of you guys should be embarassed by the disingenuousness being displayed here.

You asked for people with a brain to respond and now over 6 different people have, and not one of them agreed with that assinine link, and it is just as assinine as EH's 51 proofs. There is your answer. Maybe its you who need to understand your brain is not going to convince intellegent people, using comparisons to ridiculous events, having nothing to do with it. It is your misunderstanding of the definition of a militant atheist, is one who actively attacks other religous beliefs, not with a gun but verbally and spritually at every corner. I read you entire stupid artical by the way, and so did everyone else, unlike you and EH who have not read entire passages/books of things you take out of context and twist. You seem to need to distort the extreme real life events, and equate it to some far fetched point, what is the real world of belief and religion. We know you distort passages from scripture already, and it didn't work.

Well, Mr. Critical thinker, try making your argument for atheism on your own 2 feet, sad as that has been, and just say "I can not bring myself to believe in God", and I want to live my life as such. I've told you "be my guest, it is your life". Nobody bothered you, as atheists you brought your argument here and havn't done a very good job convincing one soul. We have been around the block many times, beginning with all the science theories, fairy tale talk, etc. etc. Not one person of belief, has ever sided with you or EH, you have not been able to strip Faith, or steal a single soul.

Your enthusiam is channeled in a sick way to either make believers think they are wrong, or twist and distort something to do it. Like your examples you began with here, they are irrelevant to my belief, and to what is a militant atheist. The link did not proove its point, and neither have you. Your enthusiasm is predicated on prooving some point by discrediting belief or belief systems, mainly directed twards anyone believing the Bible. What is your point other than misery loves company? EH braggs that if he could bring down one believer, thats a good thing. Thats pretty sad, and says it all as human beings.

Postby humphreys » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:51 am
Oh dear, the silliest response yet from our resident looney, orangetom.

The psychology website the article is posted on has zero relevance to the subject matter at hand.

These attempts to avoid addressing the double-standard are beyond ridiculous.

With all due respect Humphreys, from what I have read of orangetoms posts, he has my utmost respect, and appears to be a very intelligent , and insightful person.
Personally, I enjoy his posts very much, and find them very thought provoking, and informative.

Halfabo and OT both made some great points about living in a Godless society. To EH and Humphreys who profess wanting to irradicate religions and we would be better off without them, just like at these countries like Russia under Stalin and Lenin, and others mentioned. You both certainly would not choose to live in those places, you choose to live in countries with freedom of religion. The most oppressive rechimes in our history have been those where freedom of religion does not exist, and along with that human rights violations are always part of the picture.

Who doesn't get it Humphreys? The opression can come from a Lenin or Stalin slaudering 50 million people, or opression can come from one parent, oppressing their own children.

Humphreys,

Some of you guys should be embarassed by the disingenuousness being displayed here.

On this we can agree Humphreys. For many of us are indeed embarrassed for you and your disingenuousness. Some of us keep telling you and EH both that you need more practice.

And one more thing here Humphreys to illustrate some of my previous posts about "normal".

Oh dear, the silliest response yet from our resident looney, orangetom.

This method is textbook and typical of our leadership today..in attempting to default through by labeling any opposition as beneath consideration. It is become how our political process is continuing to work against what they consider their competition. When you cannot win on ones issues or merits...label the opposition.
And politics not only finances public education ...but it also is becoming very Jerry Springer like in how it conducts it's business...and openly so...tabloid like..in lieu of real reasoning.
This technique to which you must constantly return Humphreys..shows emotion...not reason and logic. It also shows entitlement...just as is happening to our body politic today...as well as the media...and by this public education as well.

They don't even try to hide it anymore. So too with the media shilling for the body politic...very drama and tabloid like.

You are following the party line here Humphrys...textbook. Eventually some here will begin to recognize it for what it is. Not only here on these threads ..but when they view and dissect the news media who so obviously shill for their respective parties.
And eventually as well..some will make the connection with public education financed by the body politic. A public education designed and engineered to turn out Atheists...or at least a people with a television and movie education majoring in emotions and entitlement thinking.

For what is known by people who can still think for themselves Humphreys...is that not only does government want separation of church and state...they are also working very diligently, steadfastly , and privily to separate the people from their religion and replace it with the new religion...Psychology..human reasoning...logic...philosphy ..GFW Hegel, Spinoza, Plato..and others.

The template of the new religion taking place is emotional drama for control..and by this...also entitlement. It is still control Humphreys. And it works well because most do not see what is happening. They do not see what we do. ..ie....what is being done to them.



OraProNobis,

Goodness me Sir. I was not expecting your post. My thanks for this.
It is gratifying to see and learn that there are others out here who can see and think past a sound bite. It is becoming rare in today's high speed fast food lane of life...where there is little time for real thinking..but mostly emoting.

I should perhaps clarify. I am not against emotions here. But I am for discipline in all things. This does not mean no emotions...but emotions undisciplined are nothing more than "Wildlife." And I am not here to become as Wildlife..either as two or four legged wildlife.

I hope this puts some perspective on my views and understanding.

And the Word is my ultimate source of Discipline. Not the traditions of men which are want to change like the wind...or the fashion/flavor of the day.

Also I would like to extend my thanks to Greeny2 for their support. And once again it is good to see and hear that others can follow the dots or the line of reasoning.

My thanks to all for your post and support,
In His name,

Orangetom

Greeny2,

I seem to have missed this when first I read your post. I have caught it and want to comment before I lose this chain of thought.

What is your point other than misery loves company? EH braggs that if he could bring down one believer, thats a good thing. Thats pretty sad, and says it all as human beings.

For some reason... and correct me if I am misquoting the source here....but is not Francois Marie Arouet ..aka...Voltaire quoted as bragging or boasting that he would crush religion with his pen in 50 years??

Your quoting of EH for some reason brings this to mind.


Thanks,
Orangetom