OraProNobis wrote:Duuuh, the story says that she may have had pupils..?? so what is your argument, that she wasn't given her sight?
I don't know, details are greatly lacking.
It seems her condition may have been exaggerated as to how bad it was, as well as exaggerated how good her sight was after the "miracle". It's really hard to tell on so little data about an event that happened a long time ago.
Like EH said, even if we accept these as miracles, why assume God is responsible, rather than an amazing case of the placebo affect, or Padre Pio being a psychic healer, or *insert other paranormal explanation here*.
As far as me repeating something already mentioned in the article, the first line has Gemma stating she had no pupils, I was just pointing out why this is probably a completely false statement which brings into some doubt the accuracy of others.
OraProNobis wrote:and what about the other stories? The man who was witnessed by a doctor,and others to have been missing a whole eyeball, and after feeling the presence of Padre Pio as well as the scent that often accompanied miracles done through his intercession, the whole eyeball was restored ?
I clearly said I was going to address one at a time, and obviously I cannot address every claim of a miracle ever made
You should take one case you assume to be a good one and delve as deeply as you can in order to get to the truth of it. What believers do is take about 1000 cases/claims, briefly read the minor details, and then blindly assume they are legit and accurate miracles. They think that the accumulation of flimsy evidence adds up to a strong case but that is just wrong. If all of these cases are dubious then you have a dubious case overall.
The second case you mention is that of Giovanni Savino. Now, I've looked on google and I can't find much of anything on it at all. Such an astounding miracle supposedly but details are majorly lacking. There is not even a wiki entry on him.
Am I supposed to simply accept on faith that this happened as claimed?
Seriously, do a google search on "Giovanni Savino" and see how little comes up. You are asking me to accept extraordinary claims with very little supporting evidence.
The world is full of claims of amazing things, be it ghosts, psychics, mermaids, sea monsters, and so on, but actually nailing down these claims and verifying they are correct is usually an impossible task, so we are forced to either accept them on faith or accept that they are inconclusive. These examples are inconclusive.
"Other doctors confirmed that the eye was completely annihilated and the other one badly damaged."
Which doctors? What did they say? Is this on record?
These cases read like something out of a tabloid newspaper or The Weekly World News.
I really hope I am wrong about that, but my intuition tells me you know full well which side you are "working" for, and it is a conscious choice on your behalf.
Oh, cut the crap please.
"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."
- Sam Harris