at1with0 wrote:Leviticus is most of the reason why I stopped being a Christian years ago.
There are people here who say that God does talk back when we pray to it and that in order to discern whether or not the message is authentically of God, we must gauge its authenticity by comparing it to Biblical stricture (oops, I meant scripture )
My question is what gauge did the authors of the Bible have to test the authenticity of what they received?
sandra wrote:You are not going to know that if you sit idle at maximum capacity.at1with0 wrote:My question is what gauge did the authors of the Bible have to test the authenticity of what they received?
at1with0 wrote:the answer is that they had no such gauge, had no assurance that they were properly translating what they were receiving. That in itself doesn't mean mistranslation but it does make the whole thing tenuous.
shadowcass wrote:The King James Bible did not change the word of God, you know. But there is a confusion out there that I have been trying to clear up for people for many years.
Christianity is NOT a "continuation" of Judaism. It does not follow on FROM Judaism.
God made a covenant with Abraham and his descendents. That covenant is not with any other people of any other nation.
Jesus made a new covenant with the world.
Even the “Ten Commandments” so beloved of Christians, consider how it begins: (Exodus Chapter 20 first verse): “Then God spoke all these words:
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3you shall have no other gods before me. ”
He is talking to THOSE PEOPLE ALONE…the People He brought out of Egypt (and their descendents).
This is part of the confusion that persists to this day (and was not helped by well-meaning Gospel writers like Matthew and Luke who wrote out Genealogies trying to prove that Jesus was the looked for Messiah. He WASN’T).
“Huh?” I hear you say.
No. Jesus was NOT the Messiah. The Messiah foretold to the Nation of Israel is still to come. Christian Theologians have been trying to twist this ever since but Jesus does not fulfill the prophecies concerning the Messiah. FIRST of all, the Messiah must be a descendent of David the King. Jesus wasn’t.
JOSEPH was (although the two genealogies differ slightly on the line of descent), but Joseph was not His father.
Jesus was something very different. Something unlooked for. He came to make a NEW covenant with all the peoples of the world. A Covenant different from the First. A Covenant that does not require keeping a bunch of rules and regulations but which is based on Grace (unmerited favor FROM God) and Faith (perfect trust IN God…the kind of trust a little child has in its parents).
Hence the confusion. Preachers quote all kinds of passages where Jesus appears to be confirming the LAW but what He is doing is AFFIRMING that the Original Covenant is still in force for God’s Chosen People. It still works and always will—it is eternal just as God is eternal. BUT there is also this New Covenant (the teaching of which He will eventually entrust to Paul—His Chosen Emissary to the non-Jew—mistakenly translated as “Gentiles” in the New Testament. The Latin word “gentilis” merely means a relative bearing the same name as you. Someone of the same clan.).
Can a Jew take advantage of the New Covenant? Most certainly (after all, the first Christians had bEEN Jewish). But they are not required to.
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