rath wrote:Catch up.
I know about Ur ....... i posted it on the OLD Blackvault ........ Ur is the city that the Flood &
noah's ark is based on.
Actually, it's not but, that is for a different discussion.
halfabo wrote:As for Nebuchadnezzar, Moses lived at least 600 years before Nebuchadnezzar. The Jewish religion was well established before Nebuchadnezzar was ever born.
rath wrote:How do you work that out ????
Moses was said to be born around 1526.BC.
Hammurabi was the sixth king of Babylon from 1792 BC to 1750 BC middle chronology
(1728 BC – 1686 BC)
That's 500 years BEFORE Moses, & his story's.
???? You're not making any sense here. What does Hammurabi have to do with Moses living six hundred years before Nebuchadnezzar? Moses wrote down all that had been passed down to him from the time of Abraham. While Abraham lived at the time of Hammurabi, Abraham rejected the plurality of gods that Hammurabi believed in. Your arguments are not making any sense.
rath wrote:Akhenaten, Forced the people & slaves of Egypt to worship only ONE GOD & no other, (RA)
He is also the farther of Tutankhamun.
Akhenatan died 1336 BC or 1334 BC, since Moses lived between 1300 and 1150 B.C. they may or may not have been contemporaries. Even if they were contemporaries or if Moses lived after Akhenatan, that still does not imply that monotheism originated with the Egyptians. Joseph, and the rest of Israel entered Egypt four hundred years before Akhenatan was born. They brought with them their monotheistic religion from the start. The majority of modern scholars date Joseph to the Second Intermediate Period of Egyptian history, ca. 1786-1570 BC. You also have to remember that while Akhenatan did enforce the worship of one god, Ra, as soon as he died all the other gods were worshiped once again.
An interesting side note is that if they were contemporaries and Akhenatan was the father of Tut, it is an interesting "coincidence" that Tut died so young. Especially when one of the plagues brought against Egypt was the death of every first born. And according to the Bible, the Pharaoh's first born son died during that plague.
rath wrote:Kings 6:1, which states that the Exodus occurred 480 years before the construction of Solomon's Temple. Equating the biblical chronology with dates in history is notoriously difficult, but Edwin Thiele's widely accepted reconciliation of the reigns of the Israelite and Judahite kings would imply an Exodus around 1450 BC, during the reign of Pharaoh Thutmose III (1479-1425 BC). By the mid-20th century it had become apparent that the archaeological record made this date impossible. The mummy of Thutmoses III had already been discovered in 1881, and Egyptian records of that period do not mention the expulsion of any group that could be identified with over 2 million Hebrew slaves, nor any events which could be identified with the Biblical plagues. In addition, digs in the 1930s had failed to find traces of the simultaneous destruction of Canaanite cities c.1400 BC - in fact many of them, including Jericho, the first Canaanite city to fall to the Israelites according to the Book of Joshua, were uninhabited at the time. The mounting lack of evidence led William F. Albright, the leading biblical archaeologist of the period, to propose an alternative, "late" Exodus around 1200-1250 BC
While this is interesting it is irrelevant to the conversation. It is also disputed among archaeologists. According to many archaeologists, the ruins of Jerico show evidence that the Biblical account is accurate. Most who disagree with that conclusion have refused to look at the evidence and have reached their conclusion through ignorance.
rath wrote:Nebuchadnezzar I was the king of the Babylonian Empire from about 1125 B.C.E. to 1103 B.C.E. He is considered to be the greatest king of the Dynasty of Pashe (also known as the second Isin dynasty), a line which held the Babylonian throne through 12th century BC. His greatest success was re-establishing the Babylonian lands by driving out the Elamite invaders who had taken over much of the territory. He then proceeded to push out and solidify his borders, locking Babylon into a conflict with the Assyrians. He is not to be confused with the more well-known Nebuchadnezzar II of biblical fame.
Nebuchadnezzar II (c 634 – 562 BC) was king of the Neo-Babylonian Empire, who reigned c. 605 BC – 562 BC. According to the Bible, he conquered Judah and Jerusalem, and sent the Jews into exile. He is credited with the construction of the Hanging Gardens of Babylon
He is featured in the Book of Daniel and is also mentioned in several other books of the Bible & the Torah.
Still, he had nothing to do with monotheism in Israel. Since they had no contact with Nebuchadnezzar I, and their religion was fully established long before II was in the picture. I've noticed you are throwing in a lot of irrelevant material, are you trying to confuse the issue because you know you have no argument?
rath wrote:Akhenaten and Judeo-Christian monotheism
The idea of Akhenaten as the pioneer of a monotheistic religion that later became Judaism has been considered by various scholars. One of the first to mention this was Sigmund Freud, the founder of psychoanalysis, in his book Moses and Monotheism. Freud argued that Moses had been an Atenist priest forced to leave Egypt with his followers after Akhenaten's death. Freud argued that Akhenaten was striving to promote monotheism, something that the biblical Moses was able to achieve. Following his book, the concept entered popular consciousness and serious research.
Other scholars and mainstream Egyptologists point out that there are direct connections between early Judaism and other Semitic religious traditions. They also state that two of the three principal Judaic terms for God, Yahweh, Elohim (morphologically plural), and Adonai (meaning "our lord", also morphologically plural) have no connection to Aten. Freud commented on the connection between Adonai, the Egyptian Aten and the Syrian divine name of Adonis as a primeval unity of language between the factions; in this he was following the argument of Egyptologist Arthur Weigall, but the argument was groundless as 'Aten' and 'Adonai' are not, in fact, linguistically related.
Akhenaten appears in history almost two-centuries prior to the first archaeological and written evidence for Judaism and Israelite culture is found in the Levant. Abundant visual imagery of the Aten disk was central to Atenism, which celebrated the natural world, while such imagery is not a feature of early Israelite culture. Although pottery found throughout Judea dated to the end of the 8th century BC has seals resembling a winged sun disk burned on their handles, presumedly thought to be the royal seal of the Judean Kingdom.
Ahmed Osman has claimed that Akhenaten's maternal grandfather Yuya was the same person as the Biblical Joseph.
"One of the first to mention this was Sigmund Freud, the founder of psychoanalysis"
Oh, come now. Are you going to take your historical references from the likes of Freud? Most people won't even use him as a reference for psychology any more.
rath wrote:Moses was said to be born around 1526.BC.
But the FACT is ......
Unlike, Nebuchadnezzar, Akhenaten ......... There is NO PROOF that Moses was even real.
I was expecting this one. You find someone you don't like in history and, "that person didn't exist." Convenient isn't it, to be able to just reject what you disagree with.
rath wrote:The Exodus
The earliest non-biblical account of the Exodus is by Hecataeus of Abdera (late 4th century BCE): the Egyptians blame a plague on foreigners and expel them from the country; Moses, their leader, takes them to Canaan, where he founds the city of Jerusalem. More than a dozen later stories repeat the same basic theme, most of them with a marked anti-Jewish tendency. The best-known is that by the Egyptian historian Manetho (3rd century BCE), quoted by the 1st century AD Jewish historian Josephus in two passages. In the first Manetho describes the Hyksos, their lowly origins in Asia, their dominion over and expulsion from Egypt, and, according to Josephus, their subsequent foundation of the city of Jerusalem and its temple. Josephus (not Manetho) identifies the Hyksos with the Jews. Josephus later quotes a second story from Manetho which tells how 80,000 lepers and other "impure people," led by a priest named Osarseph, join forces with the former Hyksos, now living in Jerusalem, to take over Egypt. They wreak havoc until eventually the pharaoh and his son chase them out to the borders of Syria, where Osarseph gives the lepers a law-code and changes his name to Moses
This is also irrelevant. From you own article, "more than a dozen LATER stories" Later stories, whether fact or fiction, when based on an earlier original, does not invalidate the original, no matter how much you would like it to.
You really should find a better source for information. Wiki is notorious for inaccuracy.