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Postby shadowcass » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:34 pm

Oh, that's perfectly alright, my dear friend. You must follow your way as you see it---that's the whole point :D
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Postby sandra » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:56 pm

shadowcass wrote:Oh, that's perfectly alright, my dear friend. You must follow your way as you see it---that's the whole point :D


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Postby at1with0 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:09 pm

qmark wrote:
at1with0 wrote:the answer is that they had no such gauge, had no assurance that they were properly translating what they were receiving. That in itself doesn't mean mistranslation but it does make the whole thing tenuous.


In my opinion (I want to stress the word...opinion), God communicated with His chosen people differently in the Old Testament as He did in the New Testament as He does today. Back then, he communicated visually and audibly. There really was no guesswork, mistranslation was not an issue. In fact, when He audibly spoke to all the children of Israel they were scared to death. They told Moses to speak to God for them and just relay the message.


Why do you think there was an 180 degree change in how God communicated with people?
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Postby Halfabo » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:41 pm

shadowcass wrote:Oh, there are many more than two, my friend. Those who truly seek communion with God always find Him. And there are as many ways to get to Him as there are people who seek.
People ask "Which is the TRUE Religion?"
The true religion is the one that speaks to your heart, the one that resonates within you and leads you to God.

For some it is Judaism, for others Christianity (in all its various sects and forms), for others it is Islam. But as it is written "seek and you shall find".

Follow your bliss.


I also disagree. There is only one way to aproach God.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Only though Jesus can anyone aproach God. No religion can provide that, there are no true religions. Religion is man made constuct. Even in Judaism and Christianit, where they have the word of God, they have added to it to form the religions. Any effort to keep man's traditions are fruitless. Salvation comes from an intimate relation with God, through the attoning blood of Jesus Christ. And it is only achieved through The Holy Spirit. This is being a true Christian. When the mark of Christ is placed on a person, showing His ownership of that person, and that person's actions show evidence of His influence, then that person is a Christian. It doesn't matter if that person has ever heard the name of Jesus, or ever been converted to Christianity. When that person stands before Jesus on that day of judgement, he will know his master and the Master will know him. There are many Christians within the Church that are not true Christians, and there are many outside of the Church that are.
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Postby Halfabo » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:48 pm

at1with0 wrote:
qmark wrote:
at1with0 wrote:the answer is that they had no such gauge, had no assurance that they were properly translating what they were receiving. That in itself doesn't mean mistranslation but it does make the whole thing tenuous.


In my opinion (I want to stress the word...opinion), God communicated with His chosen people differently in the Old Testament as He did in the New Testament as He does today. Back then, he communicated visually and audibly. There really was no guesswork, mistranslation was not an issue. In fact, when He audibly spoke to all the children of Israel they were scared to death. They told Moses to speak to God for them and just relay the message.


Why do you think there was an 180 degree change in how God communicated with people?


God communicates through His Spirit. After Jesus came, God put His Spirit into His followers. That allowed us to recieve His communication internally and directly from Him. Before that time, when He was communicating with the children of Israel, they did not have His spirit in them. It was neccessary to communicate audibly and visibly, or they would not have heard Him.
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Postby at1with0 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:29 pm

Halfabo wrote: That allowed us to recieve His communication internally and directly from Him.


How can we tell when we are genuinely receiving His communication?
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Postby Halfabo » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:01 pm

at1with0 wrote:
Halfabo wrote: That allowed us to recieve His communication internally and directly from Him.


How can we tell when we are genuinely receiving His communication?


If it is in complete harmony with the teachings of Christ, ie. love God with all your heart, mind and strength, love your neighbor as yourself, love your enemy also. Care for widows, orphans and those that have less than you. If that message fits within this completely, it is likely from God.

If that message is contrary to the teachings of Christ, you can be sure it is not from God. There are many messages that contradict the teachings of Christ. They come from man, from Satan, and even from the organized religions called the church. No matter what denomination it comes from, if it contradicts Christ, it is wrong.
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Postby rath » Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:51 pm

shadowcass wrote:The King James Bible did not change the word of God, you know. But there is a confusion out there that I have been trying to clear up for people for many years.
Christianity is NOT a "continuation" of Judaism. It does not follow on FROM Judaism.
God made a covenant with Abraham and his descendents. That covenant is not with any other people of any other nation.
Jesus made a new covenant with the world.
Even the “Ten Commandments” so beloved of Christians, consider how it begins: (Exodus Chapter 20 first verse): “Then God spoke all these words:
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3you shall have no other gods before me. ”
He is talking to THOSE PEOPLE ALONE…the People He brought out of Egypt (and their descendents).

This is part of the confusion that persists to this day (and was not helped by well-meaning Gospel writers like Matthew and Luke who wrote out Genealogies trying to prove that Jesus was the looked for Messiah. He WASN’T).
“Huh?” I hear you say.
No. Jesus was NOT the Messiah. The Messiah foretold to the Nation of Israel is still to come. Christian Theologians have been trying to twist this ever since but Jesus does not fulfill the prophecies concerning the Messiah. FIRST of all, the Messiah must be a descendent of David the King. Jesus wasn’t..


Nonsense .........


All faith has a common history.

The Jewish people got their faith from the Kings of Babylon & Mesopotamia who inslaved the Jews & forced their laws & faith down the throat of the Jewish people.


The Jews have followed the faith ever since.

& in one form or another does most the world.


Have you heard of the 10 commandments, .........

Law of Hammurabi .......... ( The Hammurabi code )


King Nebuchadnezzar.


The Hammurabi code, is the basis of our religious laws & of our modern legal system of law.



Did Moses steal the Ten Commandments?

Most likely.
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Postby Halfabo » Fri Jul 30, 2010 3:24 pm

rath wrote:
Nonsense .........


All faith has a common history.

The Jewish people got their faith from the Kings of Babylon & Mesopotamia who inslaved the Jews & forced their laws & faith down the throat of the Jewish people.


The Jews have followed the faith ever since.

& in one form or another does most the world.


Have you heard of the 10 commandments, .........

Law of Hammurabi .......... ( The Hammurabi code )


King Nebuchadnezzar.


The Hammurabi code, is the basis of our religious laws & of our modern legal system of law.



Did Moses steal the Ten Commandments?

Most likely.


Not quite accurate. Many faiths have some similarities, that does not imply a common history. Abraham was born in the city of Ur of Chaldea before Hammurabi began his reign in Babylonia. While they were contemporaries, Abraham left that region because they worshiped idols and false gods. While some of the laws may be the same, the one thing Hammurabi's code did not have was the worship of one true God. How big a stretch of the imagination is it to think that more than one group of people would come up with laws like "don't steal, don't lie, don't commit murder"? This is pretty common with all of mankind seeing these as bad things.

As for Nebuchadnezzar, Moses lived at least 600 years before Nebuchadnezzar. The Jewish religion was well established before Nebuchadnezzar was ever born.
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Postby rath » Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:59 am

Halfabo wrote:
rath wrote:
Nonsense .........


All faith has a common history.

The Jewish people got their faith from the Kings of Babylon & Mesopotamia who enslaved the Jews & forced their laws & faith down the throat of the Jewish people.


The Jews have followed the faith ever since.

& in one form or another does most the world.


Have you heard of the 10 commandments, .........

Law of Hammurabi .......... ( The Hammurabi code )


King Nebuchadnezzar.


The Hammurabi code, is the basis of our religious laws & of our modern legal system of law.



Did Moses steal the Ten Commandments?

Most likely.


Not quite accurate. Many faiths have some similarities, that does not imply a common history. Abraham was born in the city of Ur of Chaldea before Hammurabi began his reign in Babylonia. While they were contemporaries, Abraham left that region because they worshiped idols and false gods. While some of the laws may be the same, the one thing Hammurabi's code did not have was the worship of one true God. How big a stretch of the imagination is it to think that more than one group of people would come up with laws like "don't steal, don't lie, don't commit murder"? This is pretty common with all of mankind seeing these as bad things.

As for Nebuchadnezzar, Moses lived at least 600 years before Nebuchadnezzar. The Jewish religion was well established before Nebuchadnezzar was ever born.


Not quite accurate.


Catch up.

I know about Ur ....... i posted it on the OLD Blackvault ........ Ur is the city that the Flood &
noah's ark is based on.

As for Nebuchadnezzar, Moses lived at least 600 years before Nebuchadnezzar. The Jewish religion was well established before Nebuchadnezzar was ever born.[/quote]

How do you work that out ????

Moses was said to be born around 1526.BC.

Hammurabi was the sixth king of Babylon from 1792 BC to 1750 BC middle chronology
(1728 BC – 1686 BC)

That's 500 years BEFORE Moses, & his story's.


Akhenaten, Forced the people & slaves of Egypt to worship only ONE GOD & no other, (RA)
He is also the farther of Tutankhamun.

Kings 6:1, which states that the Exodus occurred 480 years before the construction of Solomon's Temple. Equating the biblical chronology with dates in history is notoriously difficult, but Edwin Thiele's widely accepted reconciliation of the reigns of the Israelite and Judahite kings would imply an Exodus around 1450 BC, during the reign of Pharaoh Thutmose III (1479-1425 BC).[30] By the mid-20th century it had become apparent that the archaeological record made this date impossible. The mummy of Thutmoses III had already been discovered in 1881,[31] and Egyptian records of that period do not mention the expulsion of any group that could be identified with over 2 million Hebrew slaves, nor any events which could be identified with the Biblical plagues. In addition, digs in the 1930s had failed to find traces of the simultaneous destruction of Canaanite cities c.1400 BC - in fact many of them, including Jericho, the first Canaanite city to fall to the Israelites according to the Book of Joshua, were uninhabited at the time. The mounting lack of evidence led William F. Albright, the leading biblical archaeologist of the period, to propose an alternative, "late" Exodus around 1200-1250 BC



Nebuchadnezzar I was the king of the Babylonian Empire from about 1125 B.C.E. to 1103 B.C.E. He is considered to be the greatest king of the Dynasty of Pashe (also known as the second Isin dynasty), a line which held the Babylonian throne through 12th century BC. His greatest success was re-establishing the Babylonian lands by driving out the Elamite invaders who had taken over much of the territory. He then proceeded to push out and solidify his borders, locking Babylon into a conflict with the Assyrians. He is not to be confused with the more well-known Nebuchadnezzar II of biblical fame.


Nebuchadnezzar II (c 634 – 562 BC) was king of the Neo-Babylonian Empire, who reigned c. 605 BC – 562 BC. According to the Bible, he conquered Judah and Jerusalem, and sent the Jews into exile. He is credited with the construction of the Hanging Gardens of Babylon


He is featured in the Book of Daniel and is also mentioned in several other books of the Bible & the Torah.



Akhenaten and Judeo-Christian monotheism

[quote=Wikipedia]The idea of Akhenaten as the pioneer of a monotheistic religion that later became Judaism has been considered by various scholars.[40][41][42][43][44][45] One of the first to mention this was Sigmund Freud, the founder of psychoanalysis, in his book Moses and Monotheism.[46] Freud argued that Moses had been an Atenist priest forced to leave Egypt with his followers after Akhenaten's death. Freud argued that Akhenaten was striving to promote monotheism, something that the biblical Moses was able to achieve.[40] Following his book, the concept entered popular consciousness and serious research.

Other scholars and mainstream Egyptologists point out that there are direct connections between early Judaism and other Semitic religious traditions.[47] They also state that two of the three principal Judaic terms for God, Yahweh, Elohim (morphologically plural), and Adonai (meaning "our lord", also morphologically plural) have no connection to Aten. Freud commented on the connection between Adonai, the Egyptian Aten and the Syrian divine name of Adonis as a primeval unity of language between the factions;[40] in this he was following the argument of Egyptologist Arthur Weigall, but the argument was groundless as 'Aten' and 'Adonai' are not, in fact, linguistically related.[48]

Akhenaten appears in history almost two-centuries prior to the first archaeological and written evidence for Judaism and Israelite culture is found in the Levant. Abundant visual imagery of the Aten disk was central to Atenism, which celebrated the natural world, while such imagery is not a feature of early Israelite culture.[49] Although pottery found throughout Judea dated to the end of the 8th century BC has seals resembling a winged sun disk burned on their handles, presumedly thought to be the royal seal of the Judean Kingdom.[50]

Ahmed Osman has claimed that Akhenaten's maternal grandfather Yuya was the same person as the Biblical Joseph. [/quote]


Moses was said to be born around 1526.BC.

But the FACT is ......

Unlike, Nebuchadnezzar, Akhenaten ......... There is NO PROOF that Moses was even real.

The Exodus

The earliest non-biblical account of the Exodus is by Hecataeus of Abdera (late 4th century BCE): the Egyptians blame a plague on foreigners and expel them from the country; Moses, their leader, takes them to Canaan, where he founds the city of Jerusalem.[41] More than a dozen later stories repeat the same basic theme, most of them with a marked anti-Jewish tendency.[41] The best-known is that by the Egyptian historian Manetho (3rd century BCE), quoted by the 1st century AD Jewish historian Josephus in two passages. In the first Manetho describes the Hyksos, their lowly origins in Asia, their dominion over and expulsion from Egypt, and, according to Josephus, their subsequent foundation of the city of Jerusalem and its temple. Josephus (not Manetho) identifies the Hyksos with the Jews.[42] Josephus later quotes a second story from Manetho which tells how 80,000 lepers and other "impure people," led by a priest named Osarseph, join forces with the former Hyksos, now living in Jerusalem, to take over Egypt. They wreak havoc until eventually the pharaoh and his son chase them out to the borders of Syria, where Osarseph gives the lepers a law-code and changes his name to Moses



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus
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