Answering a question with questions.......Try again. This time actually answering. How can qmark say Christ died for us when Christ knew for a fact that his death would only be temporary (three days to be exact) and that he would with 100% confidence ascend to heaven (whatever that means)? Now what I would think a thoughtful Christian's response might include the torture Christ endured just prior to his crucifixion. There is a huge difference between what Christ underwent and what an American POW faces in a foreign stockade. Christ knew the pain would be temporary, maybe a few days for the worst of it, while that POW has to undergo that incessantly (in principle) and there is no hope of there being an end to it. If I knew for a fact that my death would last for three days and then I would ascend to heaven, I would do everything in my power to start that chain of events.
btw, there is little correlation between what we get and what we deserve. Free will is a bitch.
Qmark can say that because in His earthly ministry Jesus the Christ for Remission of sins had a earthly body..just as did and do any of us. He felt all the sensations we feel..including pain and sorrow....joy and elation...and of course suffering.
As to his death being temporary....that is the Hope for all those who Believe...those He chose. That we well be destined to live and dwell with Him in the New Jerusalem...one made without hands. To those who know ...those on meat and not still on milk....this earth is not our home. It is only a temporary place.
At1with0...you are one of the more intelligent and informed posters on here. I am a bit taken back that you seem not to know this pattern and understanding. I posted on the assumption that you understood this about Belief and also meat and not milk. My bad here. My apologies for assuming incorrectly.
As to your last statement..about getting what we deserve...it is not free will per se which is a bitch..but life itself on this sinful earth is a bitch and we were told it was going to be so because of the sweat of our brow...in our lives.
It has nothing to do with free will...it would be this way with or without free will. Meat and not milk.
As to this...
If I knew for a fact that my death would last for three days and then I would ascend to heaven, I would do everything in my power to start that chain of events.
This is not very intelligent at1with0..but it is logical and reasonable....to those on milk and not meat..It makes me dissappointed in your ability to reason. It is very Egyptian in its nature...where eternity is everything and life here is little.
As if suicide is preferred...by logic and reason.
What about our offspring?? We have an obligation ( Or do we if we are just a sack of chemicals???) to get them ready for this world and the next...in the physical realm as well as the spiritual realm.
It comes across as if..."Here's to me..I got mine ..to bad about everyone else."
I like to think you can do better than this...much better.