at1with0 wrote:While growing up, I was as straight as an arrow but still felt sympathetic to the homosexuals who were hated upon by thumpers using the Bible to justify their hatred. I thought to myself, there's no way God doesn't love homosexuals and then I read in the Bible that homosexuality is an "abomination" unto God. That...was the last straw.
qmark wrote:I think sympathy is a natural response towards anyone who is the target of hatred from somebody else. I don't believe all Bible thumpers are haters. I do believe there are those who use the Bible for their own purposes. In my opinion, it is slightly different from your take. If God considers homosexuality a sin, then the homosexual is a sinner. God's response to sinners is this:
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
How much of a sacrifice was it, knowing he would resurrect and have eternal life--for a fact?
at1with0 wrote...How much of a sacrifice was it, knowing he would resurrect and have eternal life--for a fact?
So you deserve sacrafice on your own terms and if you dont get it ...you deserve an attitude..because you are sitting on the only one in town??? Or you will sacrifice and save yourself??
The Belief and understanding is that what would be our condition if we got what we verily deserve?? All of us.
Answering a question with questions.......Try again. This time actually answering. How can qmark say Christ died for us when Christ knew for a fact that his death would only be temporary (three days to be exact) and that he would with 100% confidence ascend to heaven (whatever that means)? Now what I would think a thoughtful Christian's response might include the torture Christ endured just prior to his crucifixion. There is a huge difference between what Christ underwent and what an American POW faces in a foreign stockade. Christ knew the pain would be temporary, maybe a few days for the worst of it, while that POW has to undergo that incessantly (in principle) and there is no hope of there being an end to it. If I knew for a fact that my death would last for three days and then I would ascend to heaven, I would do everything in my power to start that chain of events.
btw, there is little correlation between what we get and what we deserve. Free will is a bitch.
If I knew for a fact that my death would last for three days and then I would ascend to heaven, I would do everything in my power to start that chain of events.
orangetom1999 wrote:Qmark can say that because in His earthly ministry Jesus the Christ for Remission of sins had a earthly body..just as did and do any of us. He felt all the sensations we feel..including pain and sorrow....joy and elation...and of course suffering.
As to his death being temporary....that is the Hope for all those who Believe...those He chose. That we well be destined to live and dwell with Him in the New Jerusalem...one made without hands. To those who know ...those on meat and not still on milk....this earth is not our home. It is only a temporary place.
Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot] and 1 guest