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Postby starman » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:16 pm

When does human life begin? Contemporary scientific literature proposes a variety of answers to the question of when human life begins, but science has yet to give a definitive answer to the question. I'm not so sure that even if science could give a definitive answer it would be accepted by the majority. The reason for this I think, is that we humans have different understandings or beliefs of what human life is. I think the majority of people define human life through their religious beliefs. Some by philosophical theories or beliefs, and some using biological scientific facts.

Those of religious faith will say that they believe in God and a soul and that the soul is created at conception. Life begins at conception. Some will say the soul is created at birth. Life begins at birth. There is no factual proof in these beliefs.

Those who use philosophy to define when life begins will say life begins when there is consciousness, brain function, movement, or a heartbeat. Though reasoning is used for these beliefs, they are only theories and cannot be scientifically proven.

Last, but not least, is using the scientific method to define when life begins. Some scientist will say life begins at conception. Some will say after the first twenty-four hours. Some say two weeks after fertilization...and so on.

This is a tough moral question with strong ramifications in the debate over abortion, embryonic stem cell research, cloning. What value do we put on human beings at the beginning of their lives, the beginning of life?
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Postby Dark-Samus » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:03 am

Life is life, however, it´s the mother´s decision to see if she wants to keep her baby or not.
No one has the right to decide other than her what´s right or wrong whatever your believes might be.

If religions says that it´s wrong then why don´t they say it´s wrong for hamsters or other animals to eat their babies when they don´t have enough food or some other problem?
Isn´t that life aswell? :roll:

Same with the plant kingdom, all these wars destroys life every day, countless of animals and insects are killed during these wars they so highly believe it´s for God or some other belief.
Yet they couldn´t give a rats ass about it unless humans die, same with these peace liberal communities.
Almost no one on this planet knows about the value of life and they think they know everything there is about it?
Makes me angry and laugh at the same time because it´s pathetic.

They barely even care about the low value human life has :roll:
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Postby Lashmar » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:19 am

Life starts when it can survive without being attached to machines. Just live life ends then.
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Postby Dark-Samus » Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:25 am

We badly need Yoda...or Buddha...same thing... :lol:
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Postby malai5 » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:43 am

Lashmar wrote:Life starts when it can survive without being attached to machines. Just live life ends then.

Yes, I would have to agree with your statement.
When an entity is no longer a "parasite" depending on it's survival by being attached to it's host and "lives" on it's own, that is when life begins and not before.
To argue that "life" is a cluster of cells is to give a growth, whether malignant or not, the title of "a Life".
Of course that is a nonsense as it is dependant on the living host. No living host, no paracitic growth.


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Postby screamzero » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:26 am

The real question is when does life begin. Answer: At the first movement.
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Postby greeney2 » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:03 am

There are many minor problems at childbirth that may require being hooked up to a machine. Are you saying that isn;t a life in front of you, and birth has not occured?

Modern medicine has saved lifes where 100 years ago they would have been lost, many with machines, others with drugs or surgury. 100 years ago modern medicine didn't offer solutions to getting out of pregnancy. Now, that Modern medicine can do just about anything. Now we all of a sudden want to define life in fetus stages, so it convieniently allows the "get out of trouble" card, with some sort of non-guilt justification. Bottom line, short of a test tube, no life begins without conception, and every stage is the building of life from that point. Conception is the beginning of life, birth can only be the separation of the umbillical cord from the Mother.
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Postby Guest » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:21 pm


Your right Starman, a lot depends on if a person looks at the question of when life begins from a religious point of view or a scientific one.

I believe that life begins with the first breath and finishes with the last breath.

Yes a baby is a living being while still in the womb, and it could be said that even at the moment of conception life begins, but not a independant being who can function on their own. I think thats one of the reasons I am religious yet have no trouble in believeing and defending a womans right to choose. Until a baby can live outside the womb the most important "spirit" is the womans who is carrying the fetus.


Postby greeney2 » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:27 pm

If a murder occurs and a fetus also dies inside the Mother, than are you calling it a life at that point? Even if the Mother survives some thrama from a crime and the fetus dies, your theory of life not beginning until the first breath, wouldn't support our justice system. If a fetus dies in the commission of a crime, that is a murder charge. Our laws do consider a fetus a life.
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Postby Dark-Samus » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:38 am

What do you think about a child that the parents or mother doesn´t want and no one adopts them?
Isn´t that equally bad aswell if not worse?
A life without basics or true family union?
To me that´s abuse in a high level...
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