humphreys wrote:Go back and read my post. At no point did I say you supported the method, least of all child abuse. I was responding to your description of the book, I have no idea whether you agree with it or not, but to me it is sick and twisted and a horrible false way to coerce a child into complying with your demands.
Radical and fringe, but I get it and respect your opinion.
Now who is twisting words? I would rather a very quick minor slap on the bottom to a "spock nerve hold".
However, I do agree that no pain whatsoever should be dished out onto a child, and if that makes me a radical, then great. The world is a pretty messed up place, as you'd surely agree, so it does not worry me to go against the grain. You would understand that yourself, I bet, as someone who is happy to do the same.
I do understand. I just don't agree with your position. Not that it necessarily means my opinion is superior but I've been around the block a few more times than you have and live in a different country. I've seen the failures of "time outs" and Montessori tactics. And I have countless friends who i've seen grow up respecting, loving, and admiring the very parents who would even go so far as to make them go out in the woods and fetch a switch from the ground that would be used for their punishment.
We are living in a world that is just coming to terms with things like homosexuality, and respecting people of different races, as a species we're a little slow sometimes, but thankfully we eventually get there and recognize our previous behaviour as wrong, that's why we don't burn as many witches these days.
Just because something has been done for a long time, doesn't necessarily mean a new replacement method is superior.
.... but it doesn't mean there is not a better way.
There was a better way. A long time ago. Somewhere near the River Delta between the Tigris and Euphrates. Now, children are born with the desire to do things that aren't right, and they must be instructed in some fashion or another. Again, maybe you're lucky, but most children do not always respond when their parents say "Stop doing that Jimmy, my friend."
For someone who cries foul about people twisting words you sure do like to do it yourself.
Touché. See below.
Pain is an evolved survival mechanism, it is very useful. That does not mean we can dish it out to others as we please.
That's great... but too bad I never argued in favor of dishing out pain "as we please."