qmark wrote:I am sticking to the subject. The subject is hell being used as a "tool". A tool for what, to scare people into going to church? Millions do not go to church and have absolute no desire to do so. Not very effective there.
No. It's not very effective when used by itself is what I'm getting at. When coupled with religion, "Hell" can be in the back of the mind, with Jesus in the front.
qmark wrote:Is it a tool to keep people in church? The decline in church membership has been steadily dropping for years. Not very effective there, either.
Yes it's true more people are dropping out, which is a good thing no doubt -- attribute that to the strong willed people reading up on science/evolution/cosmology. But it's apparently still effective for many of those that stay -- the weak ones that think (or are told) science is the "devil's" work...or Sunday School teachers saying stupid things like "Satan planted the dinosaur bones."
qmark wrote:Is it a tool to control people? As I already stated, statistically, the sins that beset the world are almost identical within the church. As a tool, it is failing miserably. If it were truly an effective tool, people WOULD be afraid to do ANYTHING that might send them to hell.
It's certainly not effective in keeping people from "sinning," I'll give you that. But in their minds they think they can get away with it, because as long as they ask for forgiveness they can still be "saved". That's what makes Christianity so foul, and why priests molest little boys.
qmark wrote:We are all deserving of hell.
Speak for yourself.
qmark wrote:Fortunately, Jesus Christ paid the penalty for our sins so we don't have to. What a marvelous and wonderful loving God we have in Christ Jesus!
qmark wrote:When a person becomes a Christian, their focus is on Jesus and not on hell.
Of course the focus is on Jesus. If it wasn't then you're threatened with "Hell". The whole concept makes me think about a serial killer putting a knife to someone's throat, telling the person to "love me or I'll slit your throat."
qmark wrote:Thank you EH for proving my point. If it had been an effective tool you would still be on the straight and narrow.
It would have been an effective tool had I grew up in a religious household.
qmark wrote:Again, indoctrination that apparently isn't working. Perhaps they are using lousy tools, like hell. Maybe they should try sowing seeds instead.
Yes, indoctrination is still working to a large degree. Many children that grew up in church and are now adults are still going to church. Did these people ever have a choice? No. They were brainwashed after being indoctrinated and are incapable of thinking outside the Bible.
It's a form of child abuse to indoctrinate children.