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Postby kathaksung » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:00 pm

vulcan6gun wrote:According to a whole string of C-T websites, maybe...by the way, did you miss something else in you micro-history? Hint: It concerns 1993, Al-Qaeda, New York City, and explosives. :o
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Who Bombed The World Trade Center? FBI Bomb Builders Exposed!!

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Combined report by Paul DeRienzo, Frank Morales and Chris Flash
From newspaper _The_Shadow_ Oct. 1994/Jan. 1995 Issue

Two cassette tape recordings, obtained by SHADOW reporter Paul DiRienzo of telephone conversations between FBI informant Emad Salem and his Bureau contacts reveal secret U.S. Government complicity in the February 26, 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York City in which six people were killed and more than a thousand were injured.
After careful deliberation, the SHADOW believes the question regarding the bombing boils down to the following: Did the FBI do the bombing, utilizing informant Salem as an "agent provocateur" or did it fail to prevent an independent Salem and his associates from doing it? The taped conversations obtained by the SHADOW seem to indicate the former:
FBI Informant Edam Salem: "...we was start already building the bomb which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the DA and we was all informed about it and we know that the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful great case!"

Who is Emad Salem? FBI bomber, Arab double-agent or just greedy? Possibly a combination of all three. Salem is a former Egyptian Army officer who is currently the U.S. government's star witness against Egyptian cleric Dr. Omar Abdel Rahman, whom the FBI says was the ringleader in several bombing plots, including the World Trade Center. Shortly after the bombing at the Twin Towers (World Trade Center) the U.S. government moved to take Salem into the Witness Protection program.

According to the FBI, Salem was aware of the plot ostensibly because he had infiltrated Sheik Rahman and his associates. He was recruited as a government informant shortly after the 1991 assassination of of right- wing militant Rabbi Meir Kahane. As an associate of Rahman, Salem traveled in the cleric's inner circle, surreptitiously recording conversations, and selling his information to the Bureau. But unknown to his FBI handlers, Salem was also secretly recording his conversations with them, most likely to protect himself.

According to attorney Ron Kuby, after Salem was taken into the Witness Protection program on June 24, 1993, he told the feds about the more than 1,000 conversations he had recorded sometime between December, 1991 and June, 1993. Kuby says that while some of these tapes are not significant, others contain substantive dealings with Salem and his FBI handlers. Salem was actually bugging the FBI.

The World Trade Center bombing, along with subsequent alleged plots to bomb prominent targets in New York City, spawned a number of federal indictments and trials resulting in the conviction of more than a dozen men, all of Arabic descent. Salem's exposure as a government informant who had a year earlier infiltrated the group of men later charged in the bombing conspiracy caused many to wonder why he and the FBI failed to provide any warning of the pending World Trade Center bombing.

The answer now appears self-evident. According to William Kuntsler, attorney for Ibrahim El-Gabrowny, one of those accused in the larger bombing case, the entire conspiracy was the product of Salem, the government informant. Kuntsler's law partner Ronald Kuby told the SHADOW that within hours of the World Trade Center blast, Salem checked into a midtown hospital, complaining of a loud ringing in his ears. There is a growing belief that some of the four men charged and since convicted and jailed for the World Trade Center bombing, Mohammed Aboulihma, Mohammed Salameh, Nidal Ayyad and Ahmad Ajaj, may be innocent [victims] of a government frame-up.

Attorneys for those convicted have maintained that the government's case is circumstantial at best, with no evidence or motive linking the accused with the bombing. The FBI and federal prosecutors have not as yet responded to questions over the lack of warning of the attack on the Twin Towers, despite the strategic placement of their informant.

Two possible scenarios emerge. One: Salem is a rogue FBI informant who created the conspiracy to bomb the World Trade Center for the money his information about the plot (minus his role) would bring. An attorney for one of the convicted men told the SHADOW that Salem was an FBI informant from November of 1991 to the summer of 1992. The attorney says that the FBI became aware of the World Trade Center bombing plot through informant Salem during this period, but they refused to believe his information or pay Salem's exhorbitant fees. In fact, the feds claimed that they dropped Salem as an informant during the summer of 1992 after he refused or failed a lie detector test. This left Salem with a bombing plot but no one to sell it to.

According to the attorney, Salem let the plot that he hatched go forward and the World Trade Center was bombed so that he could get money and publicity. The attorney says that within 48 hours of the bombing, the FBI requested Salem to help them solve the case. Salem quickly pointed the fingers at the defendants, all followers of Sheik Rahman.

So, who did it? From the above point of view, Salem constructed the bomb plot with those whom he subsequently set up. The U.S. government and its FBI were innocent bystanders who failed to prevent the carnage due to their unwillingness to take Salem's claims seriously, despite his close collaboration with Bureau agents for the better part of a year.

The other scenario looks like this: Informant Salem organized the bomb plot with the "supervision" of the FBI and the District Attorney as part of a classic entrapment setup. He befriended certain individuals, possibly some of the defendants, convinced them that his intentions to bomb the World Trade Center were sincere, and convinced them to get involved. The bomb goes off. Greedy Salem, with his ears still ringing, sells out his accomplices while attempting to sell more information to the Bureau. In order to protect him and their relationship, the FBI sequesters Salem and utilizes him against the real target of the FBI, Sheik Rahman.

In one of the taped conversations between Salem and "Special Agent" John Anticev, Salem refers to him and the Bureau's involvement in making the bomb that blew up the World Trade Center. As Salem is pressing for money while emphasizing his value as a Bureau asset, the conversation moves in and out of references to the bombing and the FBI's knowledge of the bomb making:

FBI: But ah basically nothing has changed. I'm just telling you for my own sake that nothing, that this isn't a salary but you got paid regularly for good information. I mean the expenses were a little bit out of the ordinary and it was really questioned. Don't tell Nancy I told you this. (Nancy Floyd is another FBI agent who worked with Salem in his informant capacity. The second tape obtained by the SHADOW is of a telephone conversation between Salem and Floyd -Ed.)

SALEM: Well, I have to tell her of course.
FBI: Well then, if you have to, you have to.

SALEM: Yeah, I mean because the lady was being honest and I was being honest and everything was submitted with receipts and now it's questionable.
FBI: It's not questionable, it's like a little out of the' ordinary.

SALEM: Okay. I don't think it was. If that what you think guys, fine, but I don't think that because we was start already building the bomb which is went off in the World Trade Center. It was built by supervising supervision from the Bureau and the DA and we was all informed about it and we know what the bomb start to be built. By who? By your confidential informant. What a wonderful great case! And then he put his head in the sand I said "Oh, no, no, that's not true, he is son of a bitch." (Deep breath) Okay. It's built with a different way in another place and that's it.

FBI: No, don't make any rash decisions. I'm just trying to be as honest with you as I can.
SALEM: Of course, I appreciate that.

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Postby vulcan6gun » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:15 pm

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Postby frrostedman » Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:20 pm

There are a couple people here that remind me of John Nash in A Beautiful Mind.


Off his meds, of course. :P
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:01 am

frrostedman wrote:There are a couple people here that remind me of John Nash in A Beautiful Mind.


Off his meds, of course. :P


Question: The person blamed/responsible/actor in the 93 Bombing- Was he or was he not an FBI/CIA ASSET?

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Postby kathaksung » Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:08 pm

vulcan6gun wrote:
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Here is a court document for FBI's role in OKC bombing. Too bad not much people know it.

FBI conducted Oklahoma bombing. FBI director Louis Freeh had a proposal similar to the Patriot Act for the House. The request failed. Then there was another false flag attack. That was 911. This time DOD got what they wanted - the Patriot Act.

FBI agents have refused to allow attorney Jesse Trentadue to take a video deposition
from Terry Nichols after Terry Nichols identified FBI agent Larry Potts as Timothy McVeigh's FBI handler before the Oklahoma City bombing .
see Terry Nichols's statement below

The court has sealed this document and has refused the public access

8. ..... There are others who assisted McVeigh whose Identities are unknown to me, but there are two individuals who I believe to have been co-conspirators and will name as such in this Declaration.

9. One was acting as a government provocateur. The other was a high-ranking federal government official. I believe both men are now being protected by the federal government in a cover up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma. It is my desire that as a result of this Declaration, my videotaped deposition can be taken so that I can tell what I know about the Oklahoma City bombing and, thereby, hopefully trigger a full, fair and impartial investigation of that event.

10. In December of 1992, Timothy McVeigh told me that while he was serving in the U.S. Army, he had been recruited to carry out undercover missions. McVeigh did not say who recruited him, or specify the nature of his mission. McVeigh did say, however, that he was begin making contacts with a "network" of people after the first of the year and that he was to take no action in furtherance of this mission until called upon. McVeigh said he would soon be making his first contact "down south.".....

33. McVeigh was extremely upset and angry. There, in what I believe was an accidental slip of the tongue, McVeigh revealed the identity of a high-ranking FBI official who was apparently directing McVeigh in the bomb plot. The name McVeigh let slip was Larry Potts-lead FBI agent at Ruby Ridge. McVeigh said he believed Potts was manipulating him,, and forcing him "to go off script," which I understood meant to change the target of the bombing. That was the only time that I ever heard McVeigh refer to Larry Potts in that context.
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http://desertfae.com/evidence/oklahoma/ ... ICHOLS.pdf


http://desertfae.com/evidence/oklahoma/ ... ICHOLS.pdf
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Postby kathaksung » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:57 pm

Top Ranking CIA Operatives Admit Al-qaeda Is a Complete Fabrication
3/8/2008

'In the BBC’s killer documentary called The Power of Nightmares, top CIA officials openly admit, Al-Qaeda is a total and complete fabrication, never having existed at any time. The Bush administration needed a reason that complied with the Laws so they could go after “the bad guy of their choice” namely laws that had been set in place to protect us from mobs and “criminal organizations” such as the Mafia. They paid Jamal al Fadl, hundred’s of thousands of dollars to back the U.S. Governments story of Al-qaeda a “group” or criminal organization they could “legally” go after.'

Watch video here:

http://polidics.com/cia/top-ranking-cia ... ation.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAUDcmaJ ... re=related
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Postby vulcan6gun » Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:44 pm

You do realize there's currently more 'top CIA officials' making statements and/or being quoted than there were top officials in the CIA's employment, right?

Plus, it's been 8 years since 9/11/2001, 16 years since the 1993 Trade Center bombing, and 17 years since the Federal Building bombing?

That's a lot of time for the anti-government crowd to fabricate new versions of actual events. More amazing is the inaccuracies almost always evident in the tales and the poor quality of presented 'evidence' to support those tales.
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Postby kathaksung » Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:45 pm

vulcan6gun wrote:You do realize there's currently more 'top CIA officials' making statements and/or being quoted than there were top officials in the CIA's employment, right?

Plus, it's been 8 years since 9/11/2001, 16 years since the 1993 Trade Center bombing, and 17 years since the Federal Building bombing?

That's a lot of time for the anti-government crowd to fabricate new versions of actual events. More amazing is the inaccuracies almost always evident in the tales and the poor quality of presented 'evidence' to support those tales.


Is it a long time to put someone in the prison without trial for eight years? There are more prisoners in Guantanamo camp for their endless detaining.

To try “mastermind of 911” in New York

1. Most people realize the 911 attack was a false flag attack done by US government to justify Iraq war.

2. To cover up the 911 plot they created 911 planners.

3. Quantanamo prison was established to create such kind of "planners" because to produce such "planners", torture and brain wash is needed. Quantanamo prison is somewhere out of law where the Feds can apply all kind of cruel method on the prisoners. Otherwise why didn't they bring the captured "suspects" to continental US?

4. It still took eight years to force or "persuade" the prisoner to admit he was the planner. What a long "education".
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Postby kathaksung » Thu Dec 24, 2009 3:46 pm

Fake Al Qaeda
BBC News - 12/8/2002

Officials from the Palestinian Authority have accused the Israeli spy agency Mossad of setting up a fake al-Qaeda terrorist cell in Gaza. Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat said that Israel had set up the mock cell in order to justify attacks in Palestinian areas.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2546863.stm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fakealqaeda.html
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Postby kathaksung » Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:46 pm

Unraveling the Myth of Al Qaida

By Peter Chamberlin 13 Jan 2008

The myth of "al Qaida" is built on an expansive foundation of many half-truths and hidden facts. It is a CIA creation... In order to explain away the billions of dollars worth of weapons and training that went into the operation, they chose a rich jihadi, a Saudi millionaire named Osama bin Laden, who had been a faithful recruiter and business agent of the Mujahedeen. He was painted as the sole financier of the entire enormous operation that was centered in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Bin Laden may not even have known that he was playing a part in a deceitful CIA global drama until after the fact.
Article continues--

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... a&aid=7787
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