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Postby Lashmar » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:40 am

So my point stands. In reality you only have two parties, the rest are ignored.
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Postby Wing-Zero » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:52 am

Except we're allowed to vote for anyone we want, and not confined to vote for one or the other.

But yes, we only have two parties and the rest are, for the most part, ignored.
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Postby Dark-Samus » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:52 am

But nontheless...it´s still those in power that makes any system fail in the end.
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Postby CodeBlack » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:51 pm

at1with0 wrote:Isn't it true that Marxist communism has never been, in fact, implemented?

Fact: laissez-faire capitalism has never been implemented on earth. And it works.
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Postby CodeBlack » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:56 pm

Wing-Zero wrote:but if you could point me in the direction of a true Communist country, that'd be just dandy.

Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, China, Venezuela, Massachusetts, California. Runners up: Mexico, Brazil. Knock yourself out.
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Postby CodeBlack » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:03 pm

Dark-Samus wrote:Explain why you think Communism is bad.
To me the idea itself is better than democracy.
BUT fullfilling it is impossible.

1. Too much power in the hands of too few people.
2. Too much power in the hands of the wrong people.
3. Individuals are made to be subservient to the masses.
4. No incentive to try in life as all needs are presumably met. Those who try get the same treatment as those do not try. That is unfair.
5. Taking risks is punished. No risks, no rewards, no progress.
6. Massively inefficient economics makes the entire system poorer.
7. Always breaks down into totalitarianism.
8. The most corrupt form of government ever devised save Kleptocracy.

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Postby CodeBlack » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:16 pm

Lashmar wrote:So my point stands. In reality you only have two parties, the rest are ignored.

This is a fundamental limitation on any form of government. There is power in numbers and the more groups you have, the fewer numbers any one group has. As soon as any one group has more members it becomes more powerful than the rest. So over time all the groups are merged until you get only 2 groups, maybe eventually only one group, like now in the US. This is why all governments will eventually fail. The people end up with less and less say so every day until they have no say so at all, like now in the US. Eventually, what I see happening is the complete Balkan-ization of the entire planet. Look at the old iron curtain countries. They're more split up now than before the USSR came to be.

The United States will cease to be united. And that seems to be happening quicker than anticipated.
In the U.S., and other countries as well, you have one group who believe in the absolute authority of an all-powerful government and the other group who believe in individual liberty and limited government. Those 2 cannot co-exist.
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Postby Wing-Zero » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:03 pm

CodeBlack wrote:
Wing-Zero wrote:but if you could point me in the direction of a true <a onMouseOver="javascript:window.status='communist country';return true;" onMouseOut="javascript:window.status='';return true;" href="http://canadasrv.info/?v=3%2E03&ss=communist+country">Communist country</a>, that'd be just dandy.

Cuba, Nicaragua, North Korea, China, Venezuela, Massachusetts, California. Runners up: Mexico, Brazil. Knock yourself out.


Cuba... dictatorship.

Nicaragua... dictatorship.

North Korea? Oh lookie here, a dictatorship.

Massachusetts & California are... states, that are part of a democratic republic.

China? Almost as capitalistic as we are.

Venezuela... how suprising! A dictatorship.

None of those countries are actual communisms. They're either dictatorships, "democracies".
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Postby Dark-Samus » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:11 am

Cuba is different.
According to cubans themselves, life became so much better when Castro took over...
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Postby Wing-Zero » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:40 am

Dark-Samus wrote:Cuba is different.
According to cubans themselves, life became so much better when Castro took over...


Right, just like how life was so much better when Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were hanging out in the big house, killing jack-offs left and right.

Cuba = dictatorship. Although I'm sure you're not arguing that.
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