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Postby Cole_Trickle » Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:38 am

It's coming again, this time over the nighttime hours, what fun!!!!!!!!!!!!

Same piece of energy that killed a man in Yosemite via falling tree.........same one that flooded the Northwest .............

Pretty messed up stuff................The weather folks seem to love it ( infuriates me to know end ) nothing like pumping the ratings in search of a few more dollars...............sick if you ask me.

Could be worse I suppose, but how so.....................wake me when this pattern finally dies.

Jaydeessss.................Great point about the Gulf stream.......belt system......dead on in regard to the saline ..........yet once it happens ( and it will ) the belt stops and after a few months/years the ice age sets in as the transfer of warm gulf waters stop making their way toward the North reaches of the Atlantic............all hell breaks loose and does so rather quickly by geological standards......

Who knows which is worse the ice age itself, or the transition period. The period that looks as if were teetering on as I hunt and peck. :lol:

Oh well............nothing like warning sirens at 2 am.........the word relentless comes to mind but just doesn't do this stuff much justice.

Flat out weird.
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Postby greeney2 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:39 am

Yes, the wind from the same system going across the country did uproot the Yosemine tree with the help of some rain. Its all part of the geology of the serria nevada mountians themselves. While in Sequoia many years ago I bought a book in the Forest ranger store called "The geology ot the Serria Nevada", and it was really interresting, how just minor average temps by only 2-3 degrees for periods of 20-50 years over eons of time, formed them along with great glacier movements, and plate techtonics. cold periods would produce more ice into crevices and cracks, breaking off rocks with expanding ice. Warm periods, wind and rain, snow melts would overflow rivers, erosion, etc. The adjoining San Jaquin valley below is one of the most fertile and largest farming region in the country. We are in one of those periods of major temp change, which is part of the process. Question is if we have added manmade temp change to the already natural occurance.

We are also in a period that 5200 years ago the Mayans predicted this 2012 event. They have explored a 17,000 ft high glacier in Peru that is now receeding and exposing greenery and grass dated to 5200 years old. WE are in a similar condition of glaciers melting back to the same point they did 5200 years ago on the Mayan event that happened. What happened then and what is happening right now, is at least similar in that regard. Lets hope that decades ahead do not change this temp average beyond what is normal and expected.

Hurricane patterns are altered crossing the Atlantic, winds patterns like this one, all come with ave. temp changes. Imagine the other direction cooling. If we add enough to just double what normal temp ave is, instead of 2-3 degrees which is managable, what if we get to 4-6 degrees? What if we end up in a Nuclear Winter, and exactly how many degrees below normal makes a Nuclear Winter?

It is a very delicate of a balance, and extinction could be measured by only a few small degrees, we can not survive. Its definatly not a good time to add on top of the natural change, manmade change from polutions, to also get into a major nuclear war and tilt us even more off kilter due to the nuclear winter resulting. All of them combined could spell the end of this world as we know it, and any survivors would be back in the stone age.

Time to get a grip on how we are taking care of this planet.
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Postby greeney2 » Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:55 pm

This is a related artical telling about this years ave. temp being among the hottest and only 1 degree more than the standard. Prooving how delicate our ecosystem we call earth really is. In the above post I talked about several degrees of difference, but as you read this, 1 or 2 degrees may be a profound affect already, can you imagine 3 or more degrees, either direction, how that can affects seasons, or if you happen to be in the tornado/hurricane paths, like Florida or Oklahoma?

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10 photos - 6 hrs ago...See latest photos »....WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The global average temperature last year was the ninth-warmest in the modern meteorological record, continuing a trend linked to greenhouse gases that saw nine of the 10 hottest years occurring since the year 2000, NASA scientists said on Thursday.

A separate report from the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said the average temperature for the United States in 2011 as the 23rd warmest year on record.

The global average surface temperature for 2011 was 0.92 degrees F (0.51 degrees C) warmer than the mid-20th century baseline temperature, researchers at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies said in a statement. The institute's temperature record began in 1880.

The first 11 years of the new century were notably hotter than the middle and late 20th century, according to institute director James Hansen. The only year from the 20th century that was among the top 10 warmest years was 1998.

These high global temperatures come even with the cooling effects of a strong La Nina ocean temperature pattern and low solar activity for the past several years, said Hansen, who has long campaigned against human-spurred climate change.

The NASA statement said the current higher temperatures are largely sustained by increased concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, especially carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is emitted by various human activities, from coal-fired power plants to fossil-fueled vehicles to human breath.

Current levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere exceed 390 parts per million, compared with 285 ppm in 1880 and 315 by 1960, NASA said.

Last year was also a year of record-breaking climate extremes in the United States, which contributed to 14 weather and climate disasters with economic impact of $1 billion or more each, according to NOAA . This number does not count a pre-Halloween snowstorm in the Northeast, which is still being analyzed.

NOAA's National Climatic Data Center said the average 2011 temperature for 2011 for the contiguous United States was 53.8 degrees F, which is 1 degree above the 20th-century average. Average precipitation across the country was near normal, but this masks record-breaking extremes of drought and precipitation, the agency said.
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Postby bionic » Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:15 am

Wish Art and Whitley were wrong..but it seems they were spot on
oh well..adapt and survive..that is what we do..right? RIGHT???
let us pray for a could happen
the power of prayer, the power of intent and all that..who knows what world full of hopeful energy can do to fate?
Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:30 am

Well we survived it unscathed for the most part, some people unfortunately did not. It moved it a bit earlier than THEY were yacking about all day long......anyway.............the line that moved thru was once again....crazy freaking nuts to which I say...........ENOUGH ALREADY........Call em off..

Rained an inch or so in about 10-15 minutes, maybe more.......

And those 11th warmest temps of all time stats.. are without doubt skewed...........Not sure which way, but for sure skewed..

Somewhere there's an Alaskan rolling on the floor laughing his/her butt off.

When are where were the other 10 warmest?

The weather folks..both men and women who covered this system should be ashamed........Period. Sellouts................nuff said.

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