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If the moon landing was a hoax would this happen?

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Postby greeney2 » Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:49 am

Using common sense with any conspiracy is the first rule IMHO. Would this even be happening if the moon landings were all fake? The landings were over 40 years ago, old news, old problems for a government drowning in budget problems now. If it was all fake, would they chase after fake pieces of moon rock 40 years later? Devote a dime of budget to this case? Rough up an old lady, who recieved these things legitimatly? Common sence tells you, if they go to this length, they must not be fake rocks, the landings were real, and the rocks brought home were real. The treatment of this lady is another story, definatly excessive force, and improper behavior, a subject all in itself. Make an ol lady pee in her pants! I hope she sues the crap out of them, but good luck on that.

The lesson to me in this is, common sense can eliminate the plausable from the preposterous, in these "presentations" carefully crafted to plant seeds, but offer nothing concrete. Use your head, if the pieces do not fit, what did Johnny Cocoran say? If the moon landings were all faked, the piece of the puzzle that does not fit, is caring about fake rocks after 40 years. If it sounds and looks ridiculas, it probably is.

AP Exclusive: NASA sting terrifies woman, 74
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»LOS ANGELES (AP) — The elaborate mission to recover a moon rock led NASA agents to one of the most down-to-earth places: a Denny's restaurant in Riverside County.

But at the end of the sting operation, agents were left holding a speck of lunar dust smaller than a grain of rice and a 74-year-old suspect who was terrified by armed officials.

Five months after NASA investigators and local agents swooped into the restaurant and hailed their operation as a cautionary tale for anyone trying to sell national treasure, no charges have been filed, NASA isn't talking and the case appears stalled.

The target, Joann Davis, a grandmother who says she was trying to raise money for her sick son, asserts the lunar material was rightfully hers, having been given to her space-engineer husband by Neil Armstrong in the 1970s.

"It's a very upsetting thing," Davis told The Associated Press. "It's very detrimental, very humiliating, all of it a lie."

The strange case centers on a speck of authenticated moon rock encased in an acrylic-looking dome that appears to be a paperweight. For years, NASA has gone after anyone selling lunar material gathered on the Apollo missions because it is considered government property, so cannot be sold for profit.

Still, NASA has given hundreds of lunar samples to nations, states and high-profile individuals but only on the understanding they remain government property. NASA's inspector general works to arrest anyone trying to sell them.

The case was triggered by Davis herself, according to a search warrant affidavit written by Norman Conley, an agent for the inspector general.

She emailed a NASA contractor May 10 trying to find a buyer for the rock, as well as a nickel-sized piece of the heat shield that protected the Apollo 11 space capsule as it returned to earth from the first successful manned mission to the moon in 1969.

"I've been searching the internet for months attempting to find a buyer," Davis wrote. "If you have any thoughts as to how I can proceed with the sale of these two items, please call."

Davis told AP the items were among many of the space-related heirlooms her husband left her when he died in 1986. She said she had worked as a lexicographer and he had worked as an engineer for North American Rockwell, which contracted for NASA during the Apollo era.

Davis claims Armstrong gave the items to her husband, though the affidavit says the first man on the moon has previously told investigators he never gave or sold lunar material to anyone.

In follow-up phone conversations with a NASA agent, Davis acknowledged the rock was not sellable on the open market and fretted about an agent knocking on her door and taking the material, which she was willing to sell for "big money underground."

"She must know that this is a questionable transaction because she used the term 'black market,'" Agent Conley states in the search warrant.

Curiously, though, Davis agreed to sell the sample to NASA for a stellar $1.7 million. She said she wanted to leave her three children an inheritance and take care of her sick son.

NASA investigators then arranged the sting, where Conley met with Davis and her current husband at the Denny's at Lake Elsinore in Riverside County.

Soon after settling into a booth, Davis said, she pulled out the moon sample and about half a dozen sheriff's deputies and NASA investigators rushed into the eatery.

When officers in flack vests took a hold of her, the 4-foot-11 woman said she was so scared she lost control of her bladder and was taken outside to a parking lot, where she was questioned and detained for about two hours.

"They grabbed me and pulled me out of the booth," Davis claimed. "I had very, very deep bruises on my left side."

Conley declined to comment and NASA Office of the Inspector General spokeswoman Renee Juhans said she could not talk about an ongoing investigation.

Davis was eventually allowed home, without the moon rock, and was never booked into a police station or charged.

The affidavit states authorities believed Davis was in possession of stolen government property but so far they have not publicly revealed any proof.

"This (is) abhorrent behavior by the federal government to steal something from a retiree that was given to her," said Davis's attorney, Peter Schlueter, who is planning legal action.

Joseph Gutheinz, a University of Phoenix instructor and former NASA investigator who has spent years tracking down missing moon rocks, said prosecuting Davis could prove tricky.

Gutheinz said he recently learned that NASA did not always take good care of lunar materials. In some instances, space suits were simply hosed off and any moon dust on them lost forever.

While bigger rocks, such as those given to various countries and museums were carefully inventoried and tracked, it now appears there are unknown numbers of much smaller pieces circulating in the public. Some of these may have been turned into paperweights and informally given away by NASA engineers.

"I have a real moral problem with what's happened here in California," Gutheinz said. "I've always taken the position that no one should own an Apollo-era moon rock. They belong to the people. But if we did such a poor job of safeguarding (lunar samples,) I cannot fault that person."

About 2,200 samples of lunar rocks, core samples, pebbles, sand and dust — weighing about 840 pounds — were brought to Earth by NASA's Apollo lunar landing missions from 1969 to 1972. A recent count showed 10 states and more than 90 countries could not account for their shares of the gray rocks.
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Postby capricorn » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:04 am

Just because it is a highly sought after item doesn't mean it inst fake.
For instance:
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90882/7598510.html
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Postby shadowcass » Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:50 pm

I assume the "Moon LANDING" is the suspected hoax...not the actual existence of the moon itself.

Well...we go again to that lovely BBC Panel Game "QI" and find:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmNz2-IS7gY
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Postby greeney2 » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:33 pm

Good point, title has been corrected, thank you. Great video, puts it proper perspective.
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:14 am

How can it be that only one country has managed to do the deed? Using common sense and all. ;) ;) :lol: :lol:

Just imagine the monies pissed away on Pork of all kinds through the years ~~~~~~~~~Such a lavish hoax----------- :lol: ---------------Nah no way Jose' >>> ;)

Common sense is a massive Rabbit Hole---------Hopefully you grasp this as a fact-----------All the THINGS------------EVERY SINGLE THING-----------Once passed off as lunacy is becoming more and more difficult to hide from a prying public----------

If you would admit it, not to me or anyone else, but to yourself----------------you'd quickly realize that ALL of the technology to FAKE things of all types/kinds is currently being used right before your eyes EVERY SINGLE DAY--------------Most people never know it, never see it, and never realize it, let alone understand any of it.

Always the very same response to this >>

After 40 years---with 10 x's better technology----Why not go back? Well GEE Wally-----------there's nothing up there>>>>>>>> :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: I mean it's simply too asinine to ever entertain as anything other than a blatant full blown fabrication.

The only people who believe in those landings are of low intellect, or part of the very system that engineered it-----------In 1969 people were still tying water bottles to their cars in case of emergency as they crossed the freaking desert!!!!!!!!!!!! Enough already.

It's a useless, baseless, completely ignorant argument.

Something I'll never fully understand >>>>>>>> Living a lie is one thing, to relish it quite another. Talk about common sense. :lol:

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Postby greeney2 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:03 am

If you really believed all that speil, you would also be saying they in no way 40 years later, would care about on old lady with a grain of moon sand, in a paperweight. How about just answering that question only, without a long editorial. :lol: Why would they care about it?
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:53 am

greeney2 wrote:If you really believed all that speil, you would also be saying they in no way 40 years later, would care about on old lady with a grain of moon sand, in a paperweight. How about just answering that question only, without a long editorial. :lol: Why would they care about it?



Care about what? Who cares ?

The last Sat that splashed down------------not one physics expert could give the details of when and where-----------------just a basic mathematics issues---yet nada-------and you want people to believe that some 40 years earlier it was a simple task to calculate everything necessary to carry a man to the moon, land, walk around, and return.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Greeney you're a very very easy mark. You should read Dave McGowans work, you might learn something.

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Postby greeney2 » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:14 am

Can't answer the simple question why NASA would go to such extremes with one old lady and one grain of moon rock?
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:17 am

Oh I see----------" It appears to be " " She said that he said that they said that it might be " :lol: :lol: :lol: C'om man---Why would they be so interested--? God damn I can name several reason right off the top of my head...one being---------------how pissed off would you be if you forked over 1.7 million for something that you can dig up in any arid location on earth for freaking free??????????????????????? That means the material is more than likely a knock off/fake/counterfeit ----------maybe they don't want anyone proving that a supposed moon rock was something dug up in New Mexico or Nevada... :lol: :lol: :lol: Maybe it's why so few ENTITIES can actually account for their " GIFTS " :lol:

This is where your common sense should be throwing up red flags that can be seen from a million miles away!! ;)

It's always after the fact, someone is always long since deceased, and always full of so many holes that all is left to ponder is a completely convoluted pile of dawg crap!

Who gets the million dollar piece of star that just so happens to cash onto the land you own?

You took a big bite by implying common sense reasoning. Now nowhere to run, nowhere to hide.

Cole

Enough---it isn't worth wasting time over------------
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:28 am

greeney2 wrote:Can't answer the simple question why NASA would go to such extremes with one old lady and one grain of moon rock?


Yep I got it from an Astronot---------Scout's honor----really I did. :lol: :lol: My Husband worked there, but he's dead............. ;) You're the very best I've ever seen at asking questions that have nothing but multiple answers, all of which ad zero credibility to anything of any real relevance.

When you've no leg to stand on you always revert back to the standard BS. A question with multiple answers, or NO ANSWER AT ALL.

You never ever stop to consider the lengths people/companies/entities with the means, will go to protect the things most near and dear.................I'd say a little though along that vein may provide you some clarity in regard to NASA Moon rocks, and the silly business about bouncing around on the Moon's surface in 1969!

It appears to be!!!! LOL Sure it does---

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