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Postby zoltan2 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:28 am

greeney2 wrote:What does Catholics 600 years ago have to do with what Islamic countries do today?

The same barbaric ways if you do not comply.

Islam is a violent religion whereby some of its followers will slaughter you and your family in their quest to convert or kill everyone on the planet.
It must be understood that religions the world over, with few exceptions, have violent teachings and dark histories. Christianity is no better, and is in some cases worse, than Islam when it comes to professing and committing violence.

The Koran has some violent passages:

Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 90

Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kill them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.)

Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided.

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them.

Islam has a long history of violence. Since this religion formed in the mid 600s, Muslims soon conquered the deserts of Arabia then moved on the capture or greatly influence most of the Mediterranean peoples through military conquest, requiring much bloodshed.

Recently, Islamic terrorists have committed grave acts in the name of Islam. According to the US State Department, there were approximately 11,800 terrorist attacks in 2008, resulting in over 54,000 deaths. There are many who follow Muhammad who interpret the Koran in ways that justify and encourage their deeds.

Now in comparing with the Catholic Church and Christianity

Jesus’ main message was to treat others as you would want to be treated.
However there is a different face of Christianity and mostly in the Catholic Church through out the centuries.

Verses in the bible

A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed.

He who sacrifice unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

Under God's direction, Moses' army defeats the Midianites.
They killed all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the virgins that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

In all, the Bible has almost three times as many cruel or violent passages than does the Koran.

Nevertheless, it would be safe to say that the big three Abrahamic religious canons that rely on the Old Testament (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) are the world leaders in violence and cruelty.

There is also an equally long history of sponsoring or encouraging conflict around the world. The Crusades (1095-1291), an obvious example, were prompted and organized by the Church and resulted in much slaughter- and many of those dead beneath the Crusaders’ swords were Christians (Byzantium- First Crusade). Their mistake was to have darker skin and to speak a foreign tongue.

The Inquisition began against the Cathars in the Albigensian Crusade (1202-1229) and went on to span nearly 700 years (1180-1850). Estimates of the number killed ranges from thousands to millions. In essence, the Inquisition was a systematic and highly effective program that eradicated any challenges to the power and authority of the Roman Catholic Church.

Then we have the European maritime conquests in the Age of Exploration. From Columbus to Cook, European explorers used their religion (and the prospect of riches) to inspire their sailors into the dangerous journey and to justify the subjugation and enslavement of the native populations they encountered. All in the name of spreading the good word.

Jews and Muslims slaughter animals according to strictures laid out in their religious teachings, some Muslims practice female castration, Christians in Africa burn children they suspect of witchcraft, and gays have been beaten and even killed due to selective interpretations of the Bible.

Similarities between Islam and Catholicism

Islam /Catholicism

Muslim women have their tudung

Catholic Nuns have their veils

When one Muslim greets another, they place their hands on their forehead
Have you seen Catholics bending down to kiss the Pope’s Fisherman Ring? Yea, same action

Muslim men have their Songkok, whether black or white.
Catholic clerics have their zucchetto, priest wears black, bishop wears purple, cardinals wear red, Pope wears white

Muslims greet one another by saying, Assalamuailaikum
Catholics (not all) greets one another by saying Peace be with you.

Muslims have a string or beads called Tasbih and is either 99 or 33 beads long
Catholics have a string of beads called the Rosary.

Muslims have Ramadhan, their fasting month.
Catholics have Lent.
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Postby greeney2 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:30 am

Your correlations are a ridiculas comparison. Rosary beads are not Fatwas or suicide bombings. Nothing in Catholic or Christian theology resembles Islam. Nothing from the Vatican directs the oppression of woman and children, or its men. Directs suicide missions, or mass murder. They do not rule counties, they do not make the laws of counties, act as judicial system, or execute. Muslim Clerics do, and they can issue death warrents, and they are known terrorists. History 1000 years ago, was midevil times, the world was flat, something the Islamic faiths have not moved out of. What they do today is something out of centuries ago.

No other symbol of religious hate stands out like Muslim Clerics and the Ayatolah. No greater symbol of Peace and Love comes from the Pope, or people like Billy Ghramm.
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Postby zoltan2 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:45 am

greeney2 wrote:Your correlations are a ridiculas comparison. Rosary beads are not Fatwas or suicide bombings. Nothing in Catholic or Christian theology resembles Islam. Nothing from the Vatican directs the oppression of woman and children, or its men. Directs suicide missions, or mass murder. They do not rule counties, they do not make the laws of counties, act as judicial system, or execute. Muslim Clerics do, and they can issue death warrents, and they are known terrorists. History 1000 years ago, was midevil times, the world was flat, something the Islamic faiths have not moved out of. What they do today is something out of centuries ago.

No other symbol of religious hate stands out like Muslim Clerics and the Ayatolah. No greater symbol of Peace and Love comes from the Pope, or people like Billy Ghramm.

I guess you have not studied the history of the Catholic Church and you are not well red

Historical killings for Christianity

Modern killings for Christianity

Killings for Christianity by Africans
Christianity and the Holocaust

Killings for Islam

Killings for Christianity
The Church started killing unbelievers as early as the 4th century. The killing (often with torture) of heretics, church splinter groups, dissenters, atheists, agnostics, deists, pagans, infidels and unbelievers was supported by almost all mainstream Christian theology for over a thousand years, starting with the intolerant St. Augustine (died 430 AD).

See also Killings for Islam.

"Burn the witch!"
This hilarious scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail perfectly captures the "logic" of the centuries of "witch" torturing and killing by Christianity.
This crime was supported at the highest levels, up to The Papacy.
From here. Also here.

Historical killings for Christianity

See also Historical killings for Islam

Religious persecution

The martyrdom of Christians at the hands of the Romans (also here and here). This was one type of fascist killing another type of fascist - as was shown when the Christians finally got into power.
The Inquisition and Slavery

Ignorant Christian thinkers such as St. Thomas Aquinas continued to justify the killing of heretics and unbelievers throughout the medieval period.
St. Thomas Aquinas justifies killing people who are not convinced by his arguments. See the Summa Theologica, 2nd Part of the 2nd Part, Question 11, Article 3. See also here.

Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds (online here and here and here) by Charles Mackay (1841).

The killing of Jews
Christianity and the Holocaust

The killing of scientists and thinkers

The Crusades

The Crusades (and here and here), 1095-1291.
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates the Crusades butchered 1 million innocent civilian men, women and children (not in combat).

Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds
The Crusades (and here)

Jihad begot the Crusades by Andrew G. Bostom.
Yes, the Crusades were in part a response to centuries of Islamic jihad and persecution and slaughter of Christians in the Middle East. But the Christians then (unlike today) were no better than their Islamic adversaries.

The First Crusade
In 1095, Pope Urban II made this speech to launch the blood-letting of The Crusades.
The capture of Jerusalem, 1099. When they took Jerusalem, the Christian army butchered almost every man, woman and little child in the city.

The Second Crusade
St. Bernard of Clairvaux (see search) said when launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."

The genocide of the Cathars (also here)
In 1209, Pope Innocent III (also here) called for a crusade to exterminate the Cathar people of France (the Albigensians), simply because they had different superstitious beliefs to his own stupid beliefs. Men, women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces.
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates they butchered 200,000 innocent men, women and children.
The Church's War on the Cathars

In 1233, Pope Gregory IX encouraged the extermination of the Stedinger people of Friesland, on the imaginary grounds that they were in league with the (equally-imaginary) Devil. "The devil appears to them in different shapes", said his holiness, "sometimes as a goose or a duck". The entire people were exterminated.

The Inquisition

The Inquisition (and here and here)
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates that the Inquisition butchered 350,000 innocent men, women and children.

The Spanish Inquisition (and here)
The Spanish Inquisition under Ferdinand and Isabella was approved by Pope Sixtus IV in 1484.
The butcher Torquemada
Expulsion of the Muslims and Jews from Spain, 1492.

The Jewish Virtual Library
The Inquisition
The Spanish Expulsion of the Jews, 1492

The pioneer atheist and scientific thinker Giulio Cesare Vanini was burnt by the Inquisition of Rome in 1619.

The Witch-hunting

Witch-hunting (also here and here) - perhaps Christianity's worst crime. Think how many poor innocents have been killed for God; how few have ever been killed for Satan.
Many people think 1 million innocents were killed by the witch-hunters, though Rudolph J. Rummel thinks 100,000.

Extraordinary Popular Delusions And The Madness Of Crowds
The Witch-hunting (and here)

Timeline of Witch-hunting (and detailed). Reading this should make you angry.
The Burning Times: The Christian extermination of Witches and other heretics

The Papacy's crimes of witch burning were based on the grossest superstitions - for example, the weather cannot have natural causes but must be caused by witches. This would be comical provided we do not think about what happened to the utterly innocent victims of these delusions - men, women and little children picked from the populace at random and tortured and put to death. The Papacy should hang its head for ten thousand years in shame for what it did.

Pope Innocent VIII - probably the most evil of all the Popes, in the number of innocent men, women and children killed because of his words. Read his moronic declaration against witches in 1484. Essentially, because the causes of disease, bad weather, and other problems were not known in those dark times, their causes were attributed to imaginary witches who must be hidden in the populace.
This was followed by The Witch Hammer (1486). Also here.

Protestantism had no problem with the witch-burning, and continued the butchery of innocents long after the Reformation. For example, the "King James Bible" comes from one of these murderers. Luther, Calvin and Wesley supported the killing, just as they opposed science.
The Salem witch hunt (also here), 1692.

Witch-hunting survives in the present day in various forms:
The hysterical belief in satanic ritual abuse in the West.
"Witch"-hunting in Africa

The burning alive of a man accused of "witchcraft".
From The Devils (1971).
In fact, this is mild. The Christian religious maniacs burnt women and children alive too.

The post-medieval period

The Peasants' War, 1524-5, could be seen as an early communist revolution, complete with "cleansing" slaughter.
Thomas Muentzer said (see here and here): "curse the unbelievers ... don't let them live any longer, the evil-doers who turn away from God. For a godless man has no right to live if he hinders the godly. The sword is necessary to exterminate them ... if they resist let them be slaughtered without mercy ... the ungodly have no right to live, save what the Elect choose to allow them ... Now, go at them ... it is time ... The scoundrels are as dispirited as dogs ... Take no notice of the lamentations of the godless! They will beg you ... don't be moved by pity ... At them! At them! While the fire is hot! Don't let your sword get cold! Don't let it go lame!"

The Pope, Sixtus V, blessed Spain's attempt to conquer England, 1588, and promised a plenary indulgence for all who took part.

The Protestant-Catholic Wars of Religion
The Thirty Years War

Foxe's Book of Martyrs (see here and here) may have helped encourage centuries of persecution and killing of Catholics (which continues in Ulster today), but it also documents a long history of violence and murder against free thinkers by Rome.
The massacres of Protestants in Ireland in 1641

The last Catholic martyr in Britain was Oliver Plunkett, executed in London in 1681.
The last atheist martyr in Britain was Thomas Aikenhead (and here), executed in Edinburgh in 1697.
Atheists continued to be persecuted, and by the 19th century atheists in Britain were jailed rather than executed. In 1883, George Foote, editor of the Freethinker, was jailed for blasphemy. Apparently the church in England no longer believes that those who disagree with it should be jailed.
Catholics were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1829.
Atheists were denied the right to representation in Parliament until 1886.
Atheist martyrs are still being killed in Islamic states and are even being killed by Muslims in the West.

Many of the orders have shameful histories.
The Franciscans burnt the Mayan libraries in the 16th century, and helped organise the Nazi genocide in Croatia in the mid-20th century.
The Dominicans produced the mass murderer of innocents Torquemada, and they authored one of the most evil books in history, the Witch Hammer, which caused the cruel death of perhaps 1 million innocent men, women and children.
The Jesuits were instigators of the witch butchery.

Democide and slavery in the Americas and Africa
I agree that much of the democide and slavery in the Americas and Africa after the 15th century was driven by politics and profit as much as by religion. I am not blaming Christianity for all of it.

The European conquest of the Americas (also here and here)
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates that 14 million native North and South Americans were killed by Europeans (and their American-born descendants) in democide in the conquest of the Americas. Much of this, especially in the Caribbean and South America, was driven by European Roman Catholicism.
Vatican support for this, 1455. Here, Pope Nicholas V supports the killing, forcible conversion and enslaving of unbelievers found in the new lands.
Articles on Columbus
Columbus and Genocide by Edward T. Stone
The burning of the Mayan libraries by the Spanish under the Franciscans.

Slavery (and here and here)
Rudolph J. Rummel estimates that 17 million Africans were killed by Europeans (and their American-born descendants) in democide through slavery.
African slavery
Slave trade
U.S. history of slavery (and here)
Leopold II, King of the Belgians, butcher of the Congo Free State 1885-1908.

Religion and slavery
Slavery in the Bible
Support for slavery in the Bible
The New Testament supports slavery
Christianity and Slavery (and blog)
The church explicitly supported slavery for centuries. Again, ignorant thinkers like Aquinas are found supporting it.
The Vatican explicitly supported slavery in 1839 and again in 1866.
In 1888 it first started stumbling towards the view that slavery was wrong.

Slavery still exists today, in particular in the Islamic world:
Islamic Slavery
Slavery in Sudan today

Support for slavery in the Bible.

Beatification and canonisation of flawed figures

Summary of the Popes:

Spain's Roman Catholic bishops want to canonise Queen Isabella, who started the Inquisition to torture and kill heretics, ethnically cleansed the Jews and Muslims, and brought genocide to the Americas.

Saint Francis Xavier brought the Inquisition to India, which tortured and executed thousands of innocent people.

Sir Thomas More was canonised in 1935, and is glorified in the film A Man for All Seasons.
This vile murderer burned alive heretics and reformers, just because their superstitious beliefs differed from his own stupid beliefs. The fact that he himself was killed for the same reason does not suddenly absolve him of his crimes. Indeed, it seems like justice.
"Sir Thomas More: A Man for One Season" by James Wood.
Sir Thomas More was a religious maniac who wore a hairshirt, deliberately mortifying his body. He also practiced flagellation.

Pius IX (Pope 1846-78) (and here) was beatified in 2000.
Pius IX refused to support a society for the prevention of cruelty to animals. He said that: "such an association could not be sanctioned by the Holy See, being founded on a theological error, to wit, that Christians owed any duties to animals."
Pius IX was the last Pope to have temporal power, and to be able to abuse those unlucky enough to live in the Papal States.
In 1858, Pius IX's police brutally removed a 6 year old Jewish boy, Edgardo Mortara, from his parents and forcibly raised him as a Catholic. The pleas of Edgardo's distraught parents counted for nothing. They never got their little boy back. This is minor compared with the brutality of the church throughout history, but the sheer cruelty of it makes Pius IX a disgusting figure that no decent person should respect.
Anti-Defamation League Statement on Beatification of Pope Pius IX
Judaism and Christianity are not real, the soul and baptism are not real, but a mother's love is real. A mother's pain is real.

St. Maximilian Kolbe, who was martyred by the Nazis in Auschwitz in 1941, was, it is sad to say, a high-profile Polish anti-semite before the war. He wrote for a large audience on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, the alleged Jewish-Zionist-Masonic-Communist conspiracy, and so on. While Kolbe himself went on to save, not kill, Jews, who knows what brutal acts during the war were inspired by his pre-war words?

Pius XII, Pope during the Holocaust - in line for beatification.

Sir Thomas More is killed for his beliefs.
He himself burned alive people for their beliefs.

Modern killings for Christianity

See also Modern killings for Islam

Christianity and the Holocaust

The genocide of the Catholic Nazi state in Croatia in the mid-20th century

Late 20th century Serb Orthodox genocide.

Late 20th century Protestant death squads in Ireland.

People who were killed to let the Christians of the Church of Ireland march down the Garvaghy Road:
The taxi driver Michael McGoldrick
Robbie Hamill
The Catholic girlfriend of a Protestant Bernadette Martin
Adrian Lamph
The three Quinn children
The policeman Frankie Reilly
The solicitor Rosemary Nelson
The Protestant wife of a Catholic Elizabeth O'Neill

Church support for and tolerance of tyranny:
The World Council of Churches (also here) supported Joshua Nkomo and Robert Mugabe. They are also (predictably) anti-Israel.
The National Council of Churches in the US are anti-Israel, anti-American, and have supported Castro and the PLO.
Bishops Against Iraqi Freedom - The United Methodist Church in the US is led by useless whining anti-Americans from whom one can expect no serious moral guidance. 96 United Methodist bishops called the liberation of Iraq "unjust and immoral". Another bishop called the liberation "morally lamentable" and "theologically reprehensible."

The Church and Islamism

The Anglican Church and Islamism

The Catholic Church and Islamism

Human rights

Freedom of thought

In my lifetime, the Catholic church has suppressed even basic freedom of religion. In Franco's Spain (up to 1975) non-Catholics were subject to severe restrictions on worship and speech (rather similar to the status of dhimmis under Islam).

In my lifetime, the Catholic church in Ireland supported the denial of civil liberties in:


Bans on contraception and homosexuality

Catholic Church sex abuse cases

Catholic Church sex abuse scandals (and category)
Ireland (and category)

There has been a lot of focus (rightly) on the appalling reaction of the Catholic church to cases of child abuse by Catholic priests. But there are some issues that are overlooked:
Child sex abuse by priests was not policy. It was wrong even by the church's own standards (if only on grounds of celibacy). Whereas other crimes the church has committed over the years have been policy.
There are other guilty parties in not reporting / dealing with abuse by priests, namely:
The parents, for complaining to the church rather than to the police.
The state and police, for many times asking the church to deal with it rather than arresting the priests and prosecuting them.
Compared to the failure by these two parties, the failure by the priests' employers seems the minor part. The hopeless moral failure by the priests' employers is only shocking if you believed they had serious moral integrity to begin with. And since I didn't, I am not shocked. I am more shocked by the behaviour of the parents and the state/police.

Obviously this does not apply if there is any suggestion that the church prevented people going to the police.
The Murphy Report says children who were abused by priests were made to swear an oath that they would not tell anyone (including the police) on pain of excommunication (and therefore hell). See section 4.25.
This is intimidation of witnesses to and victims of a crime, and was illegal, even in Ireland back then. Any cleric involved in these oaths who is still alive should be prosecuted.
It has been alleged that Cardinal Sean Brady made child victims of sexual abuse swear, on pain of excommunication, that they would not tell the police. If this is true, he should go to prison.

Killings for Christianity by Africans
Europe has had a long run, but the torch may be passing to Africa as the centre of killings for Christianity.

The 1994 Rwandan genocide was committed by Christians (Rwanda is 90 percent Christian).
In Rwanda, Islam means peace, Christianity means hate
The Cross and the Genocide - Notes that Rome has refused to excommunicate Catholics involved in the genocide - just as they refused to excommunicate Catholics involved in the Holocaust.
As it sheltered Nazi and Croat war criminals after WW2, so the Vatican sheltered war criminal Fr. Athanase Seromba for months after the Rwandan genocide.
War criminals still hiding, Jon Swain, Sunday Times, Aug 13, 2006 - The Vatican is believed to be still sheltering other war criminals.

In Zimbabwe, the marxist-authoritarian Mugabe is also Catholic, and his murderous regime has long been protected by the Zimbabwe Catholic church.
Excommunicate Mugabe - Tony Allwright says in 2006: "in permitting Mr Mugabe to remain a Catholic, the Pope is demeaning the whole Church". If only more Catholics were like him. If only the Catholic hierarchy stood up for human rights internationally, and clearly differentiated between good and evil.
Mugabe in Rome for beatification of Pope John Paul II, 30 Apr 2011.

Uganda is 85 percent Christian
The mass murderers and rapists the Lord's Resistance Army.
Christian sharia law in Uganda - The death penalty for homosexuality proposed 2009.
Islamists praise Uganda for proposing death for gays.
The fascist Ugandan newspaper Rolling Stone calls for death for gays. The U.S. magazine Rolling Stone is horrified at these creeps using their name.
The killing of David Kato, Jan 2011, was apparently nothing to do with the Rolling Stone campaign.

Giles Muhame, editor of the Ugandan newspaper Rolling Stone, the face of modern Christian sharia law.

"Witch"-hunting in Africa - the worst killing for Christianity today
The torture and killing of "witches" in Africa, many of them innocent children, is perhaps the worst killing for Christianity in the world today.

Witches do not exist. But people who abuse children due to their belief in witchcraft do exist:
Witchcraft and sorcery related child abuse in Africa, and among African immigrants in the West.
Africans Unite Against Child Abuse

Ironically, the Christian "hunters" of "witches" abuse even more children.
"Witch"-hunting in Africa (and here and here)
Child "witches" of Nigeria

Churches involved in torture, murder of thousands of African children denounced as witches, October 17, 2009. Estimates that around 1,000 children have been killed, many with torture, in Nigeria in 1999-2009, by Christian killers who believe in "witches".
Stepping Stones Nigeria

Modern torture and killing for Christianity: "Witch" hunting in Nigeria.
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Postby greeney2 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:05 pm

Is there anything you post that isn't copied and pasted?

Ancient history has nothing to do with today like I said. Most everything you posted is hundreds of years ago to thousands. Taht is irrelevant to today. Any of your 20th century stories, not a single one was Vatican directed, or even motivated by Christian or Catholic beliefs. Catholic Priests did not order the flock to go kill people, sponsor mass murder, etc. Clerics however do however, and Ayatolahs do, currently in this era of time we live in.
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Postby zoltan2 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:37 pm

greeney2 wrote:Is there anything you post that isn't copied and pasted?

Ancient history has nothing to do with today like I said. Most everything you posted is hundreds of years ago to thousands. Taht is irrelevant to today. Any of your 20th century stories, not a single one was Vatican directed, or even motivated by Christian or Catholic beliefs. Catholic Priests did not order the flock to go kill people, sponsor mass murder, etc. Clerics however do however, and Ayatolahs do, currently in this era of time we live in.

The Vatican and Fascism in the 20th century

The book Mit Gott und dem Führer by Church historian Karlheinz Deschner ("With God and the Fuehrer [Hitler]") states that with respect to Fascist Germany, the Vatican:

"...war der erste Freund des Regimes und lange Zeit auch der einzige"
translation: [the Vatican] was the first friend of the regime and, for a long time, also the only one.

Fourteen years ago the U.S. Government de-classified the now famous "La Vista Report" of May 15, 1947, a top-secret U.S. Army Intelligence report documenting the Vatican's role in aiding the escape of numerous high-ranking Nazi war criminals, among them Ante Pavelic, fascist leader of wartime Croatia; Franz Stangel, Commander of Treblinka; Eduard Roschmann, "the Butcher of Riga"; Klaus Barbie, "the Butcher of Lyon"; SS General Walter Rauff, inventor of the mobile gas truck; Adolf Eichmann, "architect of the Holocaust"; and tens of thousands of others. Writing about the document prior to its release, internationally renowned Nazi hunter Charles R. Allen Jr. noted that in light of the revelations contained in this and other classified documents about the role of the Vatican in the Holocaust it would be logical and proper that

"A commission of inquiry into these concerns including Jewish and Catholic scholars ought to be established to locate and examine all documentation in all relevant archives so that collectively they may determine what role both the Vatican and US Intelligence played in aiding and abetting the escape of some of history's most notorious murderers. (1)

...The "La Vista Report" was documentary evidence that opened a window on a suppressed chapter of the Holocaust: the role of the Vatican in the Holocaust.

The Vatican's report "We Remember, a Reflection on the Shoah (Holocaust)," issued this past March makes it abundantly clear that the Catholic Church is determined to do all that it can to shut that window as tightly as it can, and to keep it shut forever....
...Far from suggesting that the Vatican did anything wrong, the document instead tries to portray the role of the Church during the Holocaust in a mostly positive light, insisting that "many" members of the Church did "give every possible assistance" -- implying that those who didn't were a minority, and going on to claim that the Vatican categorically condemned and opposed fascism and Nazism, making reference to pronouncements that at best are equivocal. It also claims that "Jewish communities and Jewish leaders expressed their thanks for all that had been done for them...," a cynical manipulation of a half-truth if there ever was one. And to top it all off the document tries to argue that fascism and genocide were incompatible with Catholic teachings:

"...the work of a thoroughly neo-pagan regime. Its anti-Semitism had its roots outside of Christianity...." (2)

Certainly not the view of the tens of thousands of Catholic clergy all around the world who warmly embraced fascism and joined its ranks from Berlin to Detroit (Have they forgotten our own "dear" Father Coughlin?).

What all of this amounts to is a staggering lie of gigantic proportions, a total whitewash of the crimes committed by the Catholic Church and the Papacy before, during and after the Holocaust. It is worthwhile that we now review some of the media response to this deliberate falsification of history before we examine some of the facts this most recent Vatican document conveniently "forgot" to mention. The Vatican document is the result of a sophisticated public relations campaign aimed at improving its image with both Jews and the American public by shirking responsibility for its crimes before, during and after the Holocaust while pinning all of the blame on others. This necessarily involves a deliberate falsification and suppression of the historical record. The New York Times was correct when it predicted that the document would try to put as much distance between itself and the Holocaust as possible. Even anti-Semitism is portrayed as the result of "wrong-headed Christian thinkers," not the papacy or its clergy.(3) As one CNN reporter put it, "the Pope has steered clear of blaming the church itself."(4)
Thus, the Vatican's "memory" is highly selective. The "errors" the Vatican is willing to recall are limited only to those of omission, not commission.. In other words, the errors of the Church during the Holocaust are defined only as the silence or indifference of the Church in the face of crimes of genocide, a failure to speak out. The Vatican --and apparently many journalists -- would like us to believe that this is the limit of wrongdoing. Defined out of the discussion are complicity in or support for these crimes -- not to mention active participation in deportations, expropriations, forced conversions, and mass murder of a specific people, that is to say, genocide itself. As long as the role of the Vatican in the Holocaust is defined in this way, it safely avoids serious examination of the much worse crimes it did commit.
...By placing blame on wrong-headed individuals in the Church and denying any wrong doing by the Pope or Vatican, the Church is shifting responsibility from its leaders and from the institution itself to the rank and file followers, in effect side stepping all blame whatsoever. Thus, the Church really is completely innocent -- it's the sheep, not the shepherd who are responsible!
But nowhere has the truth been hijacked and suppressed more than in regard to that one chapter of the Holocaust that historians still hesitate to confront: the Vatican's role in fascist Croatia. The story of the Holocaust in wartime Croatia is absent from many scholarly discussions of the Holocaust and from most Holocaust museums in this country. It is an odd omission considering the fact that if one defines the Holocaust from the first mass murders of civilians, then the Holocaust itself began in Croatia with the first murders of Serbs, Jews and Gypsies by the Croatian fascist regime in April 1941 -- some nine months before the Wannsee Conference, more than two months before the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union. It is like a book whose first chapter is torn out.

What then are the political reasons for the systematic and deliberate suppression of the history of the Holocaust in Croatia? There are several, and they are all connected to vital geo-political considerations of the leading Western powers....
But all of these justifications pale in comparison to the importance placed on suppressing the truth about the Vatican's and the Catholic Church's role in the Holocaust in fascist Croatia. For in Croatia, the question of what role the Catholic Church played in the Holocaust is not limited to the relatively minor issues of whether they did or spoke out enough against it -- here the question concerns the role of the Church and the Vatican in running concentration camps and in carrying out a religiously inspired genocide. Nowhere is the role of the Vatican more worthy of investigation, and nowhere has that role received less attention.
Since the Ustasha wished Croatia to be a vassal of the papacy, Catholic clergy held high positions at every level of the fascist government. In the majority of towns and villages throughout the newly created fascist state, Catholic clergy became the official Ustasha authority. A certain number of seats in the fascist "Sabor" were reserved for Bishops including Stepinac and Sharich. Pavelic included several priest-advisors and a personal confessor in his cabinet. In its inaugural radio address to the nation on April 11, 1941, the new fascist government instructed the population to apply to their local priest for further instructions, indicating again that the fascist take-over was planned in advance with the complete knowledge of the Church hierarchy. (29) When Pavelic fled the country in 1945 he turned over the reigns of state leadership to Stepinac. Thus, it truly was a clerical-fascist state in praxis as well as theory.
-- "What Is The Vatican Hiding? The Vatican's Complicity in Genocide in Fascist Croatia: The Suppressed Chapter of Holocaust History." by Barry Lituchy

This article goes on to explain in detail why the Catholic Church supported Austria and Germany in World War I, and how it viewed Serbia's Orthodox presence in Yugoslavia.
Vatican complicity in the holocausts in Germany and Yugoslavia

The French cardinal Eugene Tisserant, a Slavonic expert, told a Croat representative on March 6, 1942,

"that it is the Franciscans themselves, as for example Father Simic of Knin, who have taken part in attacks against the Orthodox populations so as to destroy the Orthodox Church in banja Luka...." [Cornwell, p. 259]

-- Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell


The Bishopric News no. 2, 1942 recorded a directive that said:

"Our work is legal because it is in accord with official Vatican policy ... that the Eastern Orthodox Church be converted to the Catholic faith".

In Germany, the blame lay on both the Protestant and Catholic Churches, however, in Yugoslavia, Catholicism was the only Christian sect guilty for the large scale destruction of the Serb, Jewish and Roma populations. In its extermination of these groups, it was helped by the Hanjar, the Islamic Nazis.

What is the Vatican hiding?, by Barry Lituchy:

The exact number of Catholic priests who worked as commanders or guards at these camps in Croatia is unknown. However, there is no question that there were hundreds, if not thousands. In a surprising number of cases Catholic priests were named commanders or staff officers of concentration camps. These appointments were reported in the Catholic press during the war. Thus, we read in Novi List in 1941 that Father Stepan Lukic was named camp adjutant of the Zepce concentration camp, Priest Ante Djuric Commander of all camps in the Drvar district, and Father Dragan Petranovic commander of the camp in Ogulin. The active participation of clergy in running concentration camps in Croatia was known by the German, Italian, British and American intelligence services, as well as the Vatican. The U.S. intelligence report of February 23, 1943 entitled "Massacres of Serbs in Croatia" speaks bluntly of

"the bloody hands of the Catholic clergy in the camps."(52)

The Croatian Catholic Church and the Vatican were directly involved in helping the fascist regime in Croatia carry out a triple genocide against Serbs, Jews and Romas from 1941 to 1945 in every possible way. By the time they were done, they had killed one million people. The Catholic Church assisted the Croatian fascists in every aspect of their murderous rule, from open political and financial support, to serving in their military units in every phase of the war, to serving in their government, to participating in arrests, expropriations, deportations, forced conversions and mass murders of racially persecuted peoples. Catholic Priests even served as concentration camp commanders in some of the worst death camps of World War II. And it was all done with the full knowledge and support of Pope Pius XII and the Vatican.(19)

The Ustasha operations were carried out with incredible acts of sadism and torture.
...As the noted historian of fascism Ernest Nolte has put it, "Croatia became during the war a giant slaughterhouse."
...Croatia became at this time, as Croatian historian Antun Miletic has said, "a land of concentration camps."

...the main concentration camp system in Croatia which opened in August 1941, Jasenovac. It was at Jasenovac that between 600,000 and 700,000 Serbs, at least 30,000 Romas and 25,000 Jews were systematically murdered between August 1941 and April 1945. Of all of the death camps during the Holocaust Jasenovac was the third largest overall in terms of victims. Jasenovac holds a number of ghastly distinctions for its cruelty. It possessed some of the largest camps for women and children during the war - the names of some 20,000 children murdered there have been collected thus far. It was noted also for its extreme brutality every known method of murder and torture was employed there, as well as a few unknown anywhere else. There are very few examples in human history that can compare with the scale of murder, terror and barbarism conducted at Jasenovac. And yet it is not even mentioned at the U.S. Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. Why?
The answer lies with the Catholic Church. What was the Church's reaction to and role in all of this? How deeply involved in genocide in fascist Croatia was the Catholic Church and the Vatican? In response to the persecution of the Jews and Serbs the Croatian clergy rallied around the regime and provided endless articles and pamphlets justifying their extermination. Stepinac had the racial laws published in his own publications. Writing in response to the publication of the racial laws of April and May 1941 the Catholic weekly "Hrvatska Strazha" in its editorial of May 11, 1941 welcomed the legislation as necessary for "the survival and development of the Croatian nation."

"Defense from Judaism, from that destructive worm, was started by the Fuhrer and Duce [Mussolini].... Our Poglavnik [Croatian fuehrer, Pavelic] has also announced a regulation on the protection and honor and blood, and we would add, on the protection of the survival and development of the Croatian nation, and with it the Poglavnik wants to prevent the dangerous worm from eating away at the tree of our Croatian national life."40

German, Italian, British and American intelligence reports (as well as Croatian accounts) suggest that between 600,000 and 700,000 were killed there [at the Jasenovac concentration camp complex]. Aside from intelligence reports, we have the testimony of survivors and of a few of the perpetrators as to the crimes committed there by the Catholic clergy. Testimony was collected by a Yugoslav War Crimes Commission and obtained during the trials of various Ustashi. A key witness was the parish priest of Jasenovac, Juraj Parshich, who along with survivors testified to the barbaric murders committed at Jasenovac by numerous priests, among whom the most infamous were Zvonko Brekalo, Pero Brzica, Anzelmo Chulina, Father Brkljanic, and the Jesuits Zvonko Lipovac and Father Cvitan. However, there was one priest who has carved out a special place for himself in the annals of sadism, barbarism and genocide. His name before the war was Vjekoslav Filipovich, a Franciscan priest who some say was excommunicated. During the war he went from wearing priestly robes to an Ustasha officer's uniform, and bore the name Miroslav Majstorovich. He directed numerous actions against Serbian villages in which he played a conspicuous part in the killings. Before one such attack in the town of Drakulic he strangled a Serbian baby in his hands. Then he went to Jasenovac where he served as Commander for four months, from September 1942 to the beginning of January 1943. At the War Crimes investigation prior to his trial, Filipovich testified that during the four months of his command "according to my own calculations between twenty and thirty thousand were liquidated in the Jasenovac."(53)

See more:

The La Vista Report, a declassified U.S. State Department Report from 1947
What is the Vatican hiding? by Barry Lituchy
The Role of the Catholic Church in Yugoslavia's Holocaust
The Vatican's Holocaust by Avro Manhattan
Christianity in Europe during WWII
The case of the Archbishop Stepinac published by the Embassy of the Federal Peoples Republic of Yugoslavia, Washington, 1947

See also the following sections:

Protestant and Catholic Churches supported Hitler and fascism, including how both Churches in Germany:
- helped track down Jews, including Christian Jews among their own congregations.
- worked with the Nazi state to murder people with disabilities.
- used forced labour and so now have to pay into a compensation fund for Nazi victims
The Catholic Ustashe included genocidal clergy
Photos of Protestant and Catholic Nazi clergy in Germany and Catholic clergy in the Ustashe
which links to images of German and Ustashe clergy participating in Nazism, of Ustashi being welcomed in the Vatican, as well as Catholic Ustashi priests forcibly baptising the Orthodox Serbs.
Hate literature written by priests: clergy writing anti-Semitic literature in Nazi Germany and clergy inventing and promoting race ideology in then Yugoslavia.
Some German books on Church participation in Nazism and its Christian origins

Hitler's Pope: Pius XII and Fascism

"His Holiness, Pius XII, the best anti-democrat in the world,"
as he was in 1950 (!) proudly titled by Ecclesia, official organ of the Spanish Catholic Action in an attempt to pay him the greatest tribute a Catholic paper could pay


"an accomplice to Nazi murderers."
-- Israel's Chief Rabbi, Meir Lau - on the actual historical role of Pope Pius XII in the Holocaust

From: What is the Vatican hiding?, by Barry Lituchy, which cites CNN

In 1917, Eugenio Pacelli, later to become Pope Pius XII, resided in a nunciature in Munich, directly opposite to what was later to become the Brown House, the cradle of Nazism. There he showed his first inkling of his unsympathetic feelings toward the Jews when he refused to come to the assistance of Jews and calling them a "Jewish cult." [Cornwell, p.70]. In a typewritten letter, he described

"a gang of young women, of dubious appearance, Jews as like all the rest of them, hanging around in the offices with lecherous demeanor and suggestive smiles." [Cornwell, p.75]

Link, citing Hitler's Pope by John Cornwell.

"To the Illustrious Herr Adolf Hitler, Fuhrer and Chancellor of the German Reich!
Here at the beginning of Our Pontificate We wish to assure you that We remain devoted to the spiritual welfare of the German people entrusted to your leadership.... During the many years we spent in Germany, We did all in Our power to establish harmonious relations between Church and State. Now that the responsibilities of Our pastoral function have increased Our opportunities, how much more ardently do We pray to reach that goal. May the prosperity of the German people and their progress in every domain come, with God's help, to fruition!"
-- Pope Pius XII to Hitler, after being elected Pope


Hoping to beatify Hitler's Pope to uphold doctrine of Papal infallibility

Pope John Paul II's response to the question of the wartime Pope's culpability reveals the real design behind the Vatican's report. John Paul II has consistently defended Pius XII, often in a truculent manner. The current Pope [referring to John Paul II] has made it clear that he will do his part to uphold the doctrine of Papal infallibility. One of his speeches during a trip to Germany in 1995 even contained a passage attacking all criticisms of Pius XII as "cheap polemics."(6) This kind of attack is part of a pre-emptive strategy aimed at creating an unreceptive climate for scholarship or discussion dealing with the role of the Vatican. Once again the Church finds itself fighting to prove that the world is flat.
-- What Is The Vatican Hiding?, by Barry Lituchy

Had Pius XII been a regular government official, he'd most likely have been convicted for his numerous crimes.
Yet, he was a Pope. The many well-founded and documented allegations have cast grave suspicion on the wartime Pope. Weighed down with the monumental and impossible task of upholding the 1870 doctrine of Papal infallibility, John Paul II decided that if only he could beatify Hitler's Pope Pius XII, then the whole Catholic Church and its flock would align itself with the idea that Pius XII could not been have guilty of anything as grave as the charges stacked against him. Indeed, Pius XII would then have all the Church's millions of loyal members on its side in blindly denying the facts: denying the evidence by shouting down the truth - a mere numbers game.

The Lateran Treaty with fascist Italy's Mussolini signed under Pius XII's predecessor

Mussolini told the press at Ouchy:

My spirit is deeply religious. Religion is a formidable force which must be respected and defended. I am, therefore, against anti-clerical and atheistic democracy, which represents an old and useless toy. I maintain that Catholicism is a great spiritual power....
-- Mussolini As Revealed in his Political Speeches, by Quaranta, p.XII.

[Pope] Pius XI, in his own words a "man with no love for democracy," helped to bring Mussolini's Fascist Party to power in Italy and in 1926 solemnly declared:

"Mussolini is a man sent by Divine Providence."

And in 1932 the Pope Pius XI blessed Mussolini at St. Peter's.

In Italy, the Holy See signed a pact (drafted by Pacelli's brother and Pietro Gasparri) with Mussolini in February 1929, known as the Lateran Treaty. Hitler had taken note of the Lateran Treaty and hoped for an identical agreement for his future regime. [Cornwell, pp.114-115]

The Vatican encouraged priests to support the Fascists and the Pope [Pius XI] spoke of Mussolini as "a man sent by Providence." The Church has a history of pacts with criminal states as the Holy See signed treaties with monarchs and governments regardless of slavery, inhumanity, or torture they may have induced upon fellow human beings.
Even Mussolini's attack on Ethiopia on October 3, 1935 was not condemned by the Holy See. Nor did Pius XI restrain the Italian hierarchy from war enthusiasm. "O Duce!, declared the bishop of Terracina, "today Italy is Fascist and the hearts of all Italians beat together with yours."[Cornwell, p.175]

From: The Reich Concordat between Hitler and the Vatican, citing Hitler's Pope by John Cornwell.

In 1935 Fascist Italy attacked and invaded Abyssinia. Since the population of Italy lacked enthusiasm for this agression, the pope hastened to declare a new crusade. For example the Archbishop of Tarent, holding a Holy Mass on a submarine, declared: "The war against Abyssinia should be viewed as a Holy War, as a crusade," which also opened "Ethiopia, the land of infidels and schismatics, to the Catholic Faith."

In 1936 the nation's churches and clergy were enjoined to celebrate Italy's victory in Ethiopia. The considerable Christian population in Ethiopia was mostly non-Catholic, hence the Pope's reference to it as a land of schismatics.

The Concordat with Nazi Germany

Pius XII's (then Eugenio Pacelli) efforts as Papal Nuncio in Germany were central to bringing Germany's Catholic Center Party close to Nazism in the 1920's, and then to cementing the agreement between the Vatican and Hitler known as the Concordat of 1933. Pacelli's support for Hitlerism in its early stages is historical record, and preventing the disclosure of the full scope of this support is one of the reasons the Vatican will not open its archives from this period.

From: What Is The Vatican Hiding?, by Barry Lituchy

In the 1920s Pacelli presented his credentials to the Weimer government where he stated,

"For my part, I will devote my entire strength to cultivating and strengthening the relations between the Holy See and Germany."
-- Pacelli, later to become Pope Pius XII

Pacelli's stay in Germany with his familiarity with their political, religious, and racist views must have influenced his later work to unify Catholicism with Germany.
In the 1930s, Pacelli and his associates negotiated with the Nazis to form a contract which got signed in 1933 as the Reich Concordat with the approval of the Pope. ...After the agreement, Hitler, mimicking Pacelli fourteen years earlier stated,

"I will devote my entire strength to cultivating and strengthening the relations between the Holy See and Germany."
-- Hitler [Cornwell, p. 136]

...According to John Cornwell, this papal endorsement of Nazism [the Concordat] helped seal the fate of Europe which makes it plausible that these Catholic prejudices bolstered aspects of Nazi anti-Semitism. [Cornwell, p. 28]
The Concordat and the following Jewish persecutions resulted in the silence of the Pope and the bishops. ...Most bishops and Cardinals were Nazi sympathizers as were bishop Wilhelm Berning of Osnabruck and Archbishop Grober of Freiburg (Pacelli's choice for emissaries).

On April 25, thousands of Catholic priests across Germany became part of an anti-Semitic attestation bureaucracy, supplying details of blood purity through marriage and baptism registries in accordance with the Nazi Nuremberg laws which distinguished Jews from non-Jews. Catholic clerical compliance in the process would continue throughout the period of the Nazi regime. [Cornwell, pp.154]

...After Kristallnacht (where Nazis broke Jewish store windows and had synagogues burned) there issued not a single word of condemnation from the Vatican, the German Church hierarchy, or from Pacelli. Yet in an encyclical on anti-Semitism, titled Humani generis unitas (The Unity of the Human Race) by Pope Pius XI, a section claims that the Jews were responsible for their own fate. God had chosen them to make way for Christ's redemption but they denied him and killed him. And now, "Blinded by their dream of worldly gain and material success," they had deserved the "worldly and spiritual ruin" that they had brought down upon themselves. [Cornwell, p. 191]
Pacelli became a crowned Pope [Pius XII] on March 12, 1939. The following month on April 20, 1939, at Pacelli's express wish, Archbishop Orsenigo, the nuncio in Berlin, opened a gala reception for Hitler's fiftieth birthday. The birthday greetings thus initiated by Pacelli immediately became a tradition...
By this time Pacelli could call on the loyalty and devotion of a half-billion people, of which half the populations of Hitler's new Reich had become Catholics, including a quarter of the SS. At this time bishops, clergy, religious, and faithful had bound themselves to the Pope, and by his own self estimation, served as the supreme arbiter of moral values on earth. [Cornwell, p. 215]

From: The Reich Concordat between Hitler and the Vatican, citing Hitler's Pope by John Cornwell.

Endorsing Ustashe Croatia

As soon as the new fascist state of Croatia was born, a campaign of cold-blooded terror began, as noted by John Cornwell in his book Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII (Viking, London, UK, 1999):

"(It was) an act of 'ethnic cleansing' before that hideous term came into vogue, it was an attempt to create a 'pure' Catholic Croatia by enforced conversions, deportations, and mass exterminations. So dreadful were the acts of torture and murder that even hardened German troops registered their horror. Even by comparison with the recent bloodshed in Yugoslavia at the time of writing, Pavelic's onslaught against the Orthodox Serbs remains one of the most appalling civilian massacres known to history" (p 249)

Furthermore, as Cornwell notes, Pius XII had not only "warmly endorsed" Croat nationalism, he had, before the war in November 1939, described the Croats in a speech as "the outpost of Christianity" of whom "the hope of a better future seems to be smiling on you".
Pavelic and Pope Pius XII "frequently exchanged cordial telegrams" according to Dedijer [The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican], one on New Year's Day 1943, saw the Pope give his blessing to Pavelic:

Everything that you have expressed so warmly in your name and in the name of the Croatian Catholics we return gracefully and give you and the whole Croatian people our apostolic blessing (Dedijer, p 115).

From: The Role of the Catholic Church in Yugoslavia's Holocaust

A vow of silence - Did gold stolen by Croatian fascists reach the Vatican? - U.S. News and World Report, March 30, 1998:

Other reports mention Ustashas meeting with Vatican officials or even living in the Vatican. The British Foreign Office reported in January 1947 that Pavelic himself, by that time a wanted war criminal, was living "within the Vatican City." An earlier report by Gowen, in October 1946, noted that Pavelic was in Rome and in contact with Draganovic.

Documents include accounts of Ustashas being hidden at the pope's summer residence at Castel Gandolfo and being seen driving in Rome in cars with Vatican license plates. The recently declassified Golik memo reports that Ustashas ate at the papal mess and that Father Golik was "declared to be in close contact with the Vatican."
The Vatican's tolerance of the Ustasha during the war was no secret. On the recommendation of Zagreb Archbishop Alojzije Stepinac--who had blessed Pavelic at the opening of the Croatian parliament--the pope established informal diplomatic relations with the independent state of Croatia, and his envoy made regular rounds of Ustasha headquarters. In 1941 and in 1943, at a time when his excesses were known, Pavelic was granted two private audiences with Pius XII. The pope explained that he received the Ustasha leader simply as a Catholic, not as head of the Croatian state. The pontiff's decision was widely reported--and widely deplored--at the time. In July 1941, Francis D'Arcy Osborne, the British ambassador to the Vatican, wrote:

"[Pius's] reception of Pavelic ... has done more to damage his reputation in this country than any other act since the war began."

See more:

Hitler's Pope, by Catholic historian John Cornwell.

Cornwell was allowed extensive access to Vatican files relevant to the Holocaust which apparently had not been studied previously by a non-Vatican researcher. He explains that he was planning to write a book defending Pope Pius XII (hence the access) but changed his mind when he saw the data. [Link]

The abridged version of Hitler's Pope published in Vanity Fair is available online.

Today the Catholic Church has undertaken a campaign of suppression and propaganda to belittle Cornwell, Goldhagen, Romus or any researcher that dares to uncover the reality of the atrocities committed by Roman Catholic Christians.

Link, which also shows how it's not just the Catholic Church that's trying to suppress and deny valid findings and even retaliate on those who bring these uncomfortable facts to light. The Protestant Churches have been trying to do the same with regards to their support for Nazism in Germany.
What Is The Vatican Hiding?, by Barry Lituchy
Christianity in Europe during WWII: The Reich Concordat between Hitler and the Vatican
Ein Jahrhundert Heilsgeschichte. Von Leo XIII. 1878 bis zu Pius XI. 1939. Die Politik der Päpste im Zeitalter der Weltkriege by Church historian Karlheinz Deschner
"A century of Salvation history. Of Leo XIII 1878 up to Pius XI 1939. The Politics of the Popes in the times of the World Wars."
Die Vertreter Gottes. Eine Geschichte der Päpste im 20. Jahrhundert. by Karlheinz Deschner
"God's representative. A history of the Popes of the 20th century"
Die Politik der Päpste im 20. Jahrhundert by Karlheinz Deschner
"Papal politics in the 20th century", also available as one of 15 essays in Deschner's Opus Diaboli.
Mit Gott und dem Führer - Die Politik der Päpste zur Zeit des Nationalsozialismus by Karlheinz Deschner
"With God and the Fuehrer - Papal politics during the time of National Socialism" (the Fuehrer was Hitler's title and Nazism is short for National Socialism)
The section Popes of long ago shows how many pontiffs of past centuries have been downright evil, thus Pius' behaviour is in no way an aberration.

Supporting other dictatorships

The eagerness with which the Vatican came to terms with the Hitler regime could be expected from the history of its penchant for "forging diplomatic links with conservative or even fascist regimes [because] it found most aspects of right-wing regimes congenial," to convey the point in the words of Professor of History Michael R. Marrus.
Professor Friedrich Heer [historian], in his magnificently researched God's First Love, backs him up, as do many other historians.

From: Catholic Reaction To The Nazi Holocaust, by Dr. Michael Hakeem, FFRF

Having lost its "strongest bulwark" [Austria] with the end of the first World War, the Vatican turned to Mussolini and fascist Italy to defend it and its long range goals. Likewise, the Vatican threw its support behind Mussolini's imperialist ambitions for fascist Italy. ... Why did Hitler create two independent clerical-fascist states which considered themselves vassals of the papacy? The answer to this question explains why historians hardly ever mention Slovakia and Croatia in their discussions of World War II or the Holocaust: because the Vatican was a silent partner in the Axis alliance, as well as in the Holocaust.
-- What is the Vatican Hiding, Barry Lituchy

Besides Nazism in Germany, Italy and Croatia there are a number of other European countries that suffered markedly under the fascist tyranny of Catholics: Spain under ruthless fascist Catholic dictator Franco and Slovakia under the priest Tiso.

Catholicism had links to government organizations, right-wing nationalism, including Fascism and Nazism. Moreover, most every right-wing dictator of the period had been brought up a Catholic: Hitler, Horthy, Franco, Petain, Mussoline, Pavelic, and Tiso (who has served as a Catholic priest).

From: Christianity in Europe during WWII

Contrary to their claims today, the fascist regimes in Europe from the 1920's to the 1940's had been widely supported by the majority of Christians, including the Nazi rule in Germany. Other examples were the Italian Fascism under Mussolini, the rule of Spanish Catholic dictator Franco (and a similar one in Portugal), the Clerofascist rule of Tiso in Slovakia, and the war-born Ustasha regime in Croatia, a part of Yugoslavia.

From: The Christian Horror Picture Show

When Gen. Francisco Franco seized control of Spain during the civil war in the 1930s, for instance, he worked with the clergy to spread a "National Catholicism" that enforced his social and political codes.


Spain and the rise of Catholic Fascist Franco

The Spanish people, stricken with poverty and a high rate of analphabets (about 80% of the population), had swept away monarchy, proclaimed a republic and elected a left-wing government in 1931. Separation of State and Church was made a reality, religious freedom was granted and civil marriage adopted. Some of the Church property - which was estimated at one third of the nation's wealth - was nationalized. To fight the "Antichrists," a violent, relentless Catholic opposition was promptly started on a large scale throughout Spain.

By 1934 Catholic organizations already planned a coup d'état, having been in touch with the Fascist Government of Italy. On July 17, 1934 the Spanish Army rose in many Spanish towns. The Spanish Civil War had begun. As soon as the revolt broke out, a General Franco made haste to let the pope know that his coup had succeeded. The papal banner was unfurled over the rebel headquarters at Burgos, and the pope [Pius XI] had Franco's flag raised over the Vatican.
This was the beginning of a world-wide Catholic offensive against Republican Spain. Bishops in Italy, Germany and other countries published pastoral letters urging Catholics to help. The pope spoke. The Spanish Civil War, he said, was a foretaste of what

"is being prepared for Europe and the World unless the nations take appropriate measures against it."
-- Pope Pius XI, 12/25/1936

Mussolini sent thousands of troops, Hitler sent warplanes, warships, tanks, and soldiers. The Spanish people fought a bitter, relentless fight from 1936 until 1939. Before the demolition of yet another young democracy in Europe was complete, Pius XI died.

"His Holiness, Pius XII, the best anti-democrat in the world," as he was in 1950 (!) proudly titled by Ecclesia, official organ of the Spanish Catholic Action in an attempt to pay him the greatest tribute a Catholic paper could pay, earlier in his career, as we have seen, had helped Hitler to come to power in Germany. His policy as a pope was faithful to his predecessor. When the Spanish republic was finally defeated by Catholic troops under Franco, would-be dictator of Spain, the pope sent a special message to the victors:

"With great joy we address you, dearest sons of Catholic Spain, to express our paternal congratulations for the gift of peace and victory with which God has chosen to crown the Christian heroism of your faith ... We give you, our dear sons of Catholic Spain, our apostolic benediction." [4/17/1939]

Church property and all medieval (!) privileges of the Church were restored. No other religion was allowed. Protestants and ex-Catholics were sent to concentration camps for refusing to attend divine service. Freethinkers, democrats, Socialists and Communists were deprived of civil rights, imprisoned, or shot. In the foreign field, Catholic Spain promptly supported Hitler and Mussolini, the former receiving a letter from Spanish dictator Franco on February 26, 1941:

"We stand today where we have always stood, in a resolute manner and with the firmest conviction, [therefore] you must have no doubts about my absolute loyalty to this political concept and to the realization of the union of our national destinies with those of Germany and Italy."


Slovakia under Catholic Nazi Tiso

Jozef Tiso, head of the Nazi puppet state of Slovakia, was a Catholic priest and vocal antisemite. He had delivered a highly anti-Semitic speech in August 1942 and presided over the deportation of Slovak Jews to Auschwitz. He was tried and executed as a war criminal.
When in 2000 Zilina in Slovakia wanted to commemorate this Catholic Nazi priest with a plaque, the Federation of Jewish Communities denounced the decision as "an attempt to rehabilitate fascism." The organization accused Tiso of having perpetrated criminal acts during the war, which led to the deportation and ultimate extermination of over 60,000 Jews from Slovakia. The American Embassy gave its support to the Jewish body's statement.

Chapter 21 of The Vatican's Holocaust, by Avro Manhattan:

[Description of a picture of Slovakia's tyrant, the Catholic Nazi Tiso shaking hands with Hitler]
Hitler welcomes Mgr. Tiso, a Catholic priest, whom he made Chief of State of Nazi sponsored Slovakia—January 20th, 1941. Mgr. Tiso, leader of the Catholics of Slovakia, cooperated with Hitler in the final disintegration of the Republic of Czechoslovakia.

Before the Second World War he led Nazified Catholics against the Central Government of Prague. He was in continuous contact respectively with Pope Pius XII, from whom he took political directives, and Adolf Hitler, with whom he plotted for the ultimate military occupation of the Republic of Czechoslovakia.

Like Ante Pavelich, who helped to bring about the disintegration of Yugoslavia to set up his Independent Catholic State of Croatia under Nazi protection, so Mgr. Tiso worked incessantly for the final ruin of Czechoslovakia to create the Independent Catholic State of Slovakia, which he ruled as a Nazi Quisling State.
Although he never matched the terrorization of Croatia, nevertheless Mgr. Tiso set up a Catholic Dictatorship in which the Church was declared supreme and where Catholic-Nazi doctrines were ruthlessly enforced upon all and sundry. After the fall of Hitler, Mgr. Tiso was liquidated by the Allies. Pope Pius XII protested, saying that Mgr. Tiso had been a martyr for "religious freedom."

More on how Nazism in countries like Slovakia were used to inspire the emergence of Nazism in the Croatian region of former Yugoslavia.

About that same Tiso that Pope Pius XII defended:

Monsignor Tiso, head of the Slovak State, who delivered the first trainload of Jews to Auschwitz [Link]

See the books:
Mit Gott und den Faschisten. Der Vatikan im Bunde mit Mussolini, Franco, Hitler und Pavelic by Church historian Karlheinz Deschner
"With God and the Fascists. The Vatican in league with Mussolini, Franco, Hitler and Pavelic"
(Referring to the Catholic fascist dictators of Italy, Spain, Germany and Croatia respectively.)
Kirche und Faschismus, Karlheinz Deschner
"Church and Fascism"
Die Politik der Päpste im 20. Jahrhundert by Karlheinz Deschner
"The politics of the Popes in the 20th century"
Mit Gott und dem Führer by Karlheinz Deschner
"With God and the Fuehrer [Hitler]"

Chile's Pinochet and the Vatican

Though Fascist governments eventually died out and the Vatican made sure to distance itself from them, later dictatorships under Catholic tyrants would yet again be given the Vatican's full support.
For example, Chile's Catholic dictator Pinochet who tormented Chileans. He was caught and was to be extradited to Spain where he could be put on trial for his crimes against humanity. The Vatican pleaded with international authorities to prevent his extradition - on humanitarian grounds, no less, arguing that the criminal was unwell. This farce might have been more believable, had the Vatican (and its fascist Nuncio to Chile, cardinals and archbishops) also pleaded with Pinochet for humane treatment of the Chilean people when he was still dictator. But the Vatican hadn't done that, because Pinochet was working for the Church and in a Church-approved manner in his position as tyrant.

More on Pinochet and the Vatican:
Pinochet's men in the Vatican:
Besides the Papal Nuncio in Chile, this article also names some of the cardinals and archbishops on both sides of the Atlantic who were involved in upholding dictatorships in Chile and Argentina:

Cardinal Angello Sodano, Papal Nuncio (Vatican's Ambassador) in Chile during Pinochet's dictatorship, and with whom he maintained a close friendship, based on political affinities. He arranged the visit of John Paul II to Chile in 1987, and was behind each of the Pope's gestures of legitimisation towards the dictator. Years later, Sodano replaced Cardinal Casaroli as Vatican's secretary of state, a position that he currently occupies.
...To mark Pinochet's golden wedding anniversary, he sent the couple a personal letter of congratulation, full of praise. After meeting in Castelgandolfo with the Chilean Vice-Minister for Foreign Affairs, in November 1998, Sodano wrote to the British government, asking that mercy be shown towards his friend the general, citing humanitarian reasons, reconciliation between Chileans, and, ultimately, the sovereignty of the Chilean State.
At the head of the Roman Congregation for the Divine Cult and the Sacraments is another admirer of Pinochet: the Chilean Cardinal Jorge Medina, who was Archbishop of Valaparaíso ... his declaration of August 3rd, 1990:

"Democracy does not automatically mean that God would want it to be put into practice."

Another powerful man in the Vatican is the Colombian cardinal Alfonso López Trujillo...
...another character who has played a key role in the religious legitimisation of dictatorships: the Italian Cardinal Pio Laghi, who was absolutely committed to helping the Argentinian military regime when he was the head of the Apostolic Nunciature in Buenos Aires. ... The Argentinian church actively collaborated with the repression through the military chaplains. ... Las Madres de la Plaza de Mayo (the group of mothers and widows whose husbands and children were 'disappeared' during the regime) have appealed to the Italian judicial system to accuse Cardinal Laghi of complicity with the military dictatorship. But their accusation is doomed to fail, because Laghi is currently president of the Holy Congregation for Catholic Education and enjoys immunity under the Letran Accords.

The Vatican opts for impunity
'Did we deserve to be savagely tortured? It was before 1988, yes, but it was pure horror' - The Guardian, April 8, 1999

the [British] Law Lords' decision to grant General Pinochet immunity from crimes committed before 1988.

It also briefly mentions some of the terrible suffering of the Chileans under Pinochet.
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Catholic Church Atrocities In The 20th Century

Posted July 29th, 2011 at 4:24PM
Despite all efforts to sweep under the carpet atrocities attributed to the Catholic Church throughout history, their grisly deeds can still be researched with a little time and effort.The 20th century has seen a continuation of genocide and cruelty on a massive scale as the following article will show.These acts attributed to the Roman Catholic Church have given real Christianity a bad name.

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Serb civilians forced to convert to Catholicism by the Ustaše in GlinaCatholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše covers the role of the Croatian Catholic Church in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH), a Nazi puppet state created on the territory of Axis-occupied Yugoslavia in 1941. The NDH was controlled by the Ustaše movement.

Contents [hide]
1 Creation and recognition
2 Role in Ustaše violence
3 Forced conversions
3.1 1941 synod
4 Dissenting clergy
5 Role of the Vatican
5.1 Pavelić audience
6 Aftermath
6.1 Vatican "ratlines"
6.2 Ustaše gold
6.3 Relations with SFR Yugoslavia
6.4 Post-war trials
7 See also
8 Notes
9 References

Creation and recognitionMain article: Catholic Church in Croatia
The creation of the Independent State of Croatia was initially welcomed by the hierarchy of the Catholic Church and by many Catholic priests. Ante Pavelić, the head of the Ustaša, was anti-Serb and pro-Catholic, viewing Catholicism as an integral part of Croat culture.[1] Cornwell views the "ancient loyalties to the papacy going back thirteen hundred years" as one of the historical legacies that "underpinned the formation of the NDH" along with Catholic Croat resentment against Orthodox Serbs.[2]

For the Ustaša, "relations with the Vatican were as important as relations with Germany" because Vatican recognition was the key to widespread Croat support.[1] Ante Pavelić was received in a private papal audience in Rome in May 1941, just after becoming dictator of Croatia.[3] According to Michael Phayer, "after receiving a papal blessing in 1941, Ante Pavelić and his Ustaša lieutenants unleashed an unspeakable genocide in their new country".[4] However, Pius XII refused to cut diplomatic ties with the Ustaša regime and met Pavelić again in 1943.[4] Pius XII was criticized for his reception of Pavelić: an unattributed British Foreign Office memo on the subject described Pius XII as "the greatest moral coward of our age."[5] For their part, the Vatican hoped the Ustaša would defeat communism in Croatia and reconvert many of the 200,000 who had left the Catholic Church for the Serbian Orthodox Church since World War I.[1]

Archbishop Aloysius Stepinac was at the time of his appointment in 1934 the youngest Catholic bishop in the world.[6] He initially received very little guidance from the Vatican and was given great leeway in how to deal with the rise of the Ustaše regime.[6] His control over the lower bishops and clergy was not uniform.[6] Stepinac began attempting to publicly distance himself from the Ustaša in May 1941.[7] As the Ustaše murders "increased exponentially" in the summer and fall of 1941, Stepinac fell under "heavy criticism" for the church's collaboration, but was "not yet prepared to break with" the Ustaše.[8] Stepinac gave the Ustaše the "benefit of the doubt" and "decided on a limited response".[8]

Stepinac shared the hope for a Catholic Croatia and viewed the Yugoslav state as "the jail of the Croatian nation".[1] The Vatican was not as enthusiastic as Stepinac and did not formally recognize the Ustaša, instead sending Giuseppe Ramiro Marcone as an apostolic visitor.[1] Stepinac, who arranged the meeting between Pius XII and Pavelić, was satisfied with this step, viewing it as de facto recognition and Marcone as a nuncio in all but name.[1]

Role in Ustaše violence
Execution of prisoners at the Jasenovac concentration camp, run by Franciscan Miroslav Filipović[6][9]It is well-known that many Catholic clergy members participated directly or indirectly in Ustaša campaigns of violence, as is attested in the work of Corrado Zoli (Italian) and Evelyn Waugh (English).[10] The most notorious example is that of Franciscan Miroslav Filipović, known as "the devil of Jasenovac" for running the Jasenovac concentration camp, where estimates of the number killed range between 49,600 and 600,000.[6][9][11] Ivan Šarić is believed to have been the "worst" of the Catholic bishops who supported the Ustaša; his diocesan newspaper wrote: "there is no limit to love. The movement of liberation of the world from the Jews is a movement for the renewal of human dignity. Omniscient and omnipotent God stands behind this movement".[7] Bishop Šarić also appropriated Jewish property for his own use.[7]

Some Catholic priests served in the personal bodyguard of Pavelić, including Ivan Guberina, a leader of the Croatian Catholic movement, a form of Catholic Action.[6] Another, Bozidas Bralo, was the chief of the security police in Sarajevo, who initiated many antisemitic actions.[6] In order to consolidate the Ustaša party power, much of the party work in Bosnia and Herzegovina Jure Francetić (an Ustaše Commissioner of this province), was put in the hands of Catholic priests.[12]

One Catholic priest, Mate Mugos wrote that clergy should put down the prayer book and take up the revolver.[6] Another, Dyonisy Juricev, wrote in the Novi list that to kill seven-year-olds was not a sin.[6] Phayer argues that "establishing the fact of genocide in Croatia prior to the Holocaust carries great historical weight for our study because Catholics were the perpetrators and not, as in Poland, the victims".[13]

Forced conversionsAs Pavelić's government cracked down on the Orthodox Serbs, along with the Jewish, Muslim, and Protestant Germanic minorities, the Catholic clergy took steps to encourage Orthodox Serbs to convert to Roman Catholicism.[14] By July 14, 1941—"anticipating its selective conversion policy and eventual goal of genocide"—the Croatian Ministry of Justice instructed the Croatian episcopate that "priests or schoolmasters or, in a word, any of the intelligentsia—including rich Orthodox tradesmen and artisans" should not be admitted.[15] Those that were pre-rejected from the "coming program of enforced conversion" were deported and killed, although many that converted met the same fate.[16]

Croats appropriated many churches that were "vacated or requisitioned" from the Orthodox Serbs.[16] The Catholic episcopate and HKP, the Croatian branch of Catholic Action, a lay organization, were involved in the coordination and administration of these policies.[16]

1941 synodArchbishop Stepinac called a synod of Croatian bishops in November 1941.[8] The synod appealed to Pavelić to treat Jews "as humanely as possible, considering that there were German troops in the country".[8] The Vatican replied with praise to Marcone with praise for what the synod had done for "citizens of Jewish origin", although Israeli historian Menachem Shelah demonstrates that the synod concerned itself only with converted Jews.[8] Pius XII personally praised the synod for "courage and decisiveness".[17] Shelach has written that,

A bishops' conference that met in Zagreb in November 1941 was not... prepared to denounce the forced conversion of Serbs that had taken place in the summer of 1941, let alone condemn the persecution and murder of Serbs and Jews. It was not until the middle of 1943 that Stepinac, Archbishop of Zagreb, publicly came out against the murder of Croatian Jews (most of whom had been killed by that time) the Serbs, and other nationalities. In the early stage, the Croatian massacres were explained as "teething troubles of a new regime" in Rome by Msgr Domenico Tardini of the Vatican state secretariat.)[18]

Dissenting clergyA few prominent Catholic clergymembers objected to the Ustaša violence.[7] One of them was Aloysius Mišić, the bishop of Mostar.[7] Gregorij Rožman, the bishop of Ljubljana in Slovenia allowed Jews that had converted to Catholicism and fled from Croatia into his diocese to remain there, with assistance from Jesuit Pietro Tacchi Venturi in obtaining the permission of the Italian civil authorities[19].

Role of the VaticanAccording to historian Michael Phayer, "it is impossible to believe that Stepinac and the Vatican did not know that the Ustasha murders amounted to genocide".[9] Cornwell considers the Catholic involvement important because of: "the Vatican's knowledge of the atrocities, Pacelli's failure to use his good offices to intervene, and the complicity it represented in the Final Solution being planned in northern Europe".[2]

Pius XII was a long-standing supported of Croat nationalism; he hosted a national pilgrimate to Rome in November 1939, for the cause of the canonization of Nicola Tavelic, and largely "confirmed the Ustashe perception of history".[14] In a meeting with Primate Stepinac, Pius XII reiterated the epithet of Pope Leo X, that the Croats were "the outpost of Christianity", a term which itself implied that the Orthodox Serbs were not true Christians.[14] Pius XII foretold to Stepinac that:

"The hope of a better future seems to be smiling on you, a future in which the relations between Church and State in your country will be regulated in harmonious action to the advantage of both".[14]
Undersecretary of State Montini (later elected Pope Paul VI) was responsible for "day-to-day matters concerning Croatia and Poland". [17] He reported to Pius XII on a daily basis, and heard of the Ustaša atrocities in 1941.[17] In March 1942, Montini asked the Ustaša representative to the Vatican "Is it possible that these atrocities have taken place?", and responded that he would view such accusations with "considerable reserve" once the representative called them "lies and propaganda".[17] Montini's fellow Undersecretary Domenico Tardini told the Ustaša representative that the Vatican was willing to indulge the Ustaša regime because: "Croatia is a young state [...] Youngsters often err because of their age. It is therefore not surprising that Croatia also erred".[17]

Stepinac was summoned to Rome in April 1942, where he delivered a nine-page document detailing various misdeeds of Pavelić.[9] This document described the atrocities as "anomalies" that were either unknown or unauthorized by Pavelić himself; it is omitted from the ADSS.[9] However, by 1942 the Vatican "preferred to have Stepinac try to rein the fascists in rather than risk the effect that a papal denunciation would have on the unstable Croatian state".[9]

According to Eugene Tisserant, the future Dean of the College of Cardinals, "we have the list of all clergymen who participated in these atrocities and we shall punish them at the right time to cleanse our conscience of the stain with which they spotted us".[20] Pius XII was well-informed of the involvement of Croatian Catholic clergy with the Ustaša regime, but decided against condemning the regime or even taking action against the involved clergy, who had "joined in the slaughter", fearing that it would lead to schism in the Croatian church or undermine the formation of a future Croatian state.[21]

Phayer contrasts the Vatican's "limited and sketchy" knowledge of the genocide in Poland with "the Croatian case, in which both the nuncio and the head of the church, Bishop Alojzje Stepinac, were in continuous contact with the Holy See while the genocide was being committed".[13] Cardinal Secretary of State Maglione instructed nuncio Marcone that "if your eminence can find a suitable occasion, he should recommend in a discreet manner, that would not be interpreted as an official appeal, that moderation be employed with regard to Jews on Croatian territory. Your Eminence should see to it that [...] the impression of loyal cooperation with the civil authorities be always preserved".[22] According to Phayer, the Vatican "preferred to bring diplomatic pressure on the Ushtasha government instead of challenging the fascists publicly on the immorality of genocide".[19]

Pavelić audiencePavelić visited Rome on May 18, 1941 to sign a treaty with Mussolini granting Italy control over several Croatian cities and districts on the Dalmatian coast.[23] While in Rome, he was granted a "devotional" audience with Pius XII.[23] Cornwell views this act as "de facto recognition by the Holy See" of the Independent State of Croatia.[23] Soon afterwards, Abbot Ramiro Marcone was appointed apostolic legate to Zagreb.[23]

Cornwell is unsure whether the Vatican was aware of the exact atrocities committed by the Ustaše by this point, but he noted "it was known from the very beginning that Pavelic was a totalitarian dictator, a puppet of Hitler and Mussolini, that he had passed a series of viciously racist and anti-Semitic laws, and that he was bent on enforced conversions from Orthodox to Catholic Christianity".[23]

Ante Pavelić took refuge in Rome and used the Vatican "ratline" to reach Argentina.Vatican "ratlines"Main article: Ratlines (history)
According to Phayer, "at the end of the war, the leaders of the Ustasha movement, including its clerical supporters such as Bishop Saric, fled the country, taking gold looted from massacred Jews and Serbs with them to Rome".[24]

Pope Pius XII protected Ante Pavelić after World War II, gave him "refuge in the Vatican properties in Rome", and assisted in his flight to South America; Pavelić and Pius XII shared the goal of a Catholic state in the Balkans and were unified in their opposition to the rising Communist state under Tito.[25] Pius XII also believed that Pavelić and other war criminals could not get a fair trial in Yugoslavia.[26] After arriving in Rome in 1946, Pavelić used the Vatican "ratline" to reach Argentina in 1948, along with other Ustaša,[25] Russian, Yugoslav, Italian, and American spies and agents all tried to apprehend Pavelić in Rome but the Vatican refused all cooperation and vigorously defended its extraterritorial status.[3] Pavelić was never captured or tried for his crimes.[25]

According to Phayer, "the Vatican's motivation for harboring Pavelić grew in lockstep with its apprehension about Tito's treatment of the church".[27]

Dozens of Croatian refugees and war criminals were housed in the Pontifical Croatian College of St. Jerome in Rome.[27] Intelligence reports differed over the location of Pavelić himself.[27] Counter Intelligence Corps agent William Gowen (the son of Franklin Gowen, a US diplomat in the Vatican) was one of those tasked with finding Pavelić; although the CIC hoped the relationship would reveal Pavelić's location, eventually the reverse occurred and the Vatican convinced the US to back off.[28] By the Spring of 1947, the Vatican was putting intense diplomatic pressure on the US and the UK not to extradite Ustaša war criminals to Yugoslavia.[29]

Special Agent Gowen warned in 1947 that, due to Pavelić's record of opposing the Orthodox Church as well as Communism, his "contacts are so high and his present position is so compromising to the Vatican, that any extradition of the subject would be a staggering blow to the Roman Catholic Church".[30] The feared embarrassment of the Church was not due to Pavelić's use of the Vatican "ratline" (which Pavelić at this point, still hoping to return, had not yet committed to using), but rather due to the facts the Vatican believed would be revealed in Pavelić's eventual trial.[31]

Ustaše goldFurther information: Alperin v. Vatican Bank
The Ustaši hiding in Pontifical Croatian College of St. Jerome (the Croatian Seminary near the Vatican) brought a large amount of looted gold with them; this was latter moved to other Vatican extraterritorial property and/or the Vatican Bank.[4][32] Although this gold would be worth hundreds of thousands of 2008 US dollars, it constituted only a small percentage of the gold looted during World War II, mostly by the Nazis.[32] According to Phayer, "top Vatican personnel would have known the whereabouts of the gold".[32]

Surviving victims of the Ustaše and their next of kin living in California brought a class action lawsuit against the Vatican bank and others in US federal court, Alperin v. Vatican Bank.[32] Specifically, the Vatican bank was charged with laundering and convering "the Ustaša treasury, making deposits in Europe and North and South American, [and] distributing the funds to exiled Ustaša leaders including Pavelić".[33] A principal piece of evidence against the Vatican is the "Bigelow dispatch", an October 16, 1946 dispatch from Emerson Bigelow in Rome to Harold Glasser, the director of monetary research for the U.S. Treasury Department.[33] Former OSS agent William Gowen has also given deposition as an expert witness that in 1946 Colonel Ivan Babić transported 10 truckloads of gold from Switzerland to the Pontifical College.[34] All charges have been dismissed.[35]

Relations with SFR YugoslaviaFurther information: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia

Bishop Gregorij Rožman with SS General Erwin RösenerAccording to Phayer, "even before the end of the war, Tito had begun to settle the score with the Ustaša, which meant with the Catholic Church as well because of the close relations between the two".[36] Partisans of Tito retaliated against the Catholic clergy for their perceived or actual collaboration with the Ustaše; by February 1945, at least fourteen priests had been killed; by March 1945, as many as 160 priests; by the end of the year, 270 priests.[37] According to Catholic novelist Evelyn Waugh (who visited Croatia after the war), "the task of the partisans was made easier in that the clergy as a whole had undoubtedly compromised the church by tolerating the pro-Axis Ustashis, if not actively collaborating with them".[37] Franciscans in particularly were singled out for partisan attacks and fifteen Franciscan monasteries were destroyed.[37]

In this sense, the situation was a microcosm of the general situation of the Vatican in Communist Eastern Europe.[38] Pius XII sent American bishop Joseph Patrick Hurley as his envoy to Tito (as Hurley carried the title of "regent", this was a step below official diplomatic recognition).[37] Tito requested to Hurley that Archbishop Stepinac be recalled to Rome; the pope deferred to Stepinac himself, who chose to stay.[39]

Post-war trials
Pius XII created Aloysius Stepinac (pictured, right, with Pavelić) cardinal after he was convicted of collaborating with the Ustaša.[40]Rožman
Bishop Gregorij Rožman of Ljubljana was the first bishop tried for "collaboration" in Yugoslavia, in absentia, by the military court in August 1946. The trial was repealed in 2007 by the Slovene Supreme Court[41] The British occupational authorities had recommended that he "be arrested and interned as a Ustaša collaborator".[39] Phayer views his trial as a "warm-up for proceedings against Stepinac", and after Rožman was convicted, Stepinac was arrested.[39] (Rožman found safe haven in the United States, where he died.)

Archbishop Aloysius Stepinac was indicted on the charges of supporting the Ustaše government, urging forced conversions of Orthodox Serbs, and encouraging Ustaše resistance in Yugoslavia.[39] Phayer argues that Stepinac (who remained silent during his trial) could have defended himself from the charge of supporting forced conversions, but not the other two.[40] Stepinac was found guilty and sentenced to 16 years imprisonment.[39] He served 5 years in the Lepoglava prison before the sentence was commuted to home arrest.

Pius XII elevated Stepinac to the cardinalate in 1952.[42] Although Phayer agrees in part with criticisms of Stepinac conviction as a "show trial", he states "the charge that he supported the Ustaša regime was, of course, true, as everyone knew",[40] and that "if Stepinac had responded to the charges against him, his defense would have inevitably unraveled, exposing the Vatican's support of the genocidal Pavelić".[43] Most incriminatingly, Stepinac had allowed the state papers of the Ustaše to be stored in his episcopal residence, papers that would be crucial to the Ustaše in retaking control of the country and which contained volumes of incriminating information against Ustaše war criminals.[40]

Stepinac was transferred back home to the village of Krašić in 1953 and died in his residence seven years later. In 1998, Pope John Paul II beatified him.

See alsoMagnum Crimen
Clerical fascism
Notes^ a b c d e f Phayer, 2000, pg. 32.
^ a b Cornwell, 1999, pg. 249
^ a b Phayer, 2008, pg. 221
^ a b c Phayer, 2008, pg. 219.
^ Mark Aarons and John Loftus Unholy Trinity pgs. 71–2
^ a b c d e f g h i Phayer, 2000, pg. 34
^ a b c d e Phayer, 2000, pg. 35
^ a b c d e Phayer, 2000, p. 36.
^ a b c d e f Phayer, 2000, pg. 38
^ Phayer, 2000, pgs. 34-5
^ [1] Yad Vashem
^ War and Revolution in Yugoslavia, 1941-1945: Occupation and Collaboration by Jozo Tomasevich, published by Stanford University Press, 2001 ISBN 0804736154, 9780804736152 (page 490)
^ a b Phayer, 2000, pg. 30
^ a b c d Cornwell, 1999, pg. 250
^ Cornwell, 1999, pgs. 250-1
^ a b c Cornwell, 1999, pg. 251
^ a b c d e Phayer, 2000, p. 37.
^ Encyclopedia of the Holocaust vol 1., pg. 328
^ a b Phayer, 2000, pg. 39
^ Phayer, 2008, pg. 225
^ Phayer, 2008, pgs. 9-16
^ Phayer, 2000, pgs. 36-7
^ a b c d e Cornwell, 1999, p. 252.
^ Phayer, 2000, pg. 40
^ a b c Phayer, 2008, pg. 220
^ Phayer, 2008, pg. 226
^ a b c Phayer, 2008, pg. 222
^ Phayer, 2008, pgs. 222-3
^ Phayer, 2008, pg. 227
^ Phayer, 2008, pg. 28
^ Phayer, 2008, pgs. 228-9
^ a b c d Phayer, 2008, p. 208.
^ a b Phayer, 2008, pg. 209.
^ Phayer, 2008, pg. 210
^ Sud odbio tužbu preživjelih iz holokausta u NDH protiv Vatikanske banke
^ Phayer, 2008, pg. 135
^ a b c d Phayer, 2008, pg. 148
^ Phayer, 2008, pg. 136
^ a b c d e Phayer, 2008, pg. 150
^ a b c d Phayer, 2008, pg. 151
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^ Phayer, 2008, pgs. 10-15, 147, 150
^ Phayer, 2008, pg. 152
ReferencesCornwell, John. 1999. Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII. Viking. ISBN 0-670-87620-8
Falconi, Carlo. Bernard Wall (trans.). 1970. The Silence of Pius XII. Boston: Little, Brown, and Company.
Phayer, Michael. 2000. The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930–1965. Indianapolis: Indiana University Press. ISBN 0-253-33725-9.
Phayer, Michael. 2008. Pius XII, The Holocaust, and the Cold War. Indianapolis: Indiana University Press. ISBN 978-0-253-34930-9.
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Postby greeney2 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:57 pm

Tell me you actually read all those copy and pasted things, in the 15 minutes it took to reply? :roll:
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Postby hxxx » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:26 pm

greeney2 wrote:What makes you the expert? I found many many things just like this, including the Muslim rape of a two year old baby, because her converted Christian Father would not recate Christianity. Just like the murders you hear about in Iraq, Pakistan, Afganistan, beheadings and mutilations for aiding colition troops, these things occur everyday in the middle east. You may defend them all you want to, the facts are the facts.

I'm just saying that your statement is bullshit. That's all.

Just like an big idling bull,greeney2 wrote:I believe in many countries passsing out Christian literature, is the death penalty..
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Postby The_Joker » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:43 pm

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...
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