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Postby zoltan2 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:49 am

greeney2 wrote:There is something wrong with you! You have no credibility at all.

You don't want to get trashed, stop posting trash.


You are lucky that your son owns this Forum and site.
Elsewhere its a long time you would of had your butt kick out and banned simply for harassment.
How does the song go. Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.
Have a nice day and hope that you enjoy your day instead of hounding me.
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Postby greeney2 » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:33 pm

I'm hounding the lies that are in most of your posts. Its called defending the trash being said about your country. If you are the one posting those lies, expect me right on top of them. It has nothing to do with my son, and has nothing to do with me being a moderator.

I do not mix the 2, and if you can show me where I have ever edited or deleted you, misused my moderator status, within any post, please show everyone. Show everyone where I have ever pulled rank on you, or even suggested any such improper use of moderating. I am a poster and I am a moderator. Maybe its you that can not separate the 2, that I should not be allowed to have an opinion?
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Postby capricorn » Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:44 pm

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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:02 am

capricorn wrote:9/11: A Conspiracy Theory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGT ... r_embedded


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Postby CodeBlackv2 » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:43 pm

There is nothing wrong with asking questions and you should be asking questions about that "piece" and who was behind it and what their agenda is, and what they actually know vs. what they are only theorizing.

I'll start the questioning...

Why would the gov need to torture suspects if it wasn't the terrorists of which we were told?

Why does the "piece" say the gov didn't care about who funded 9/11 when we saw the results of several years of well publicized investigations exposing that funding (Muslim organizations, some in the US)?

How do they know what can and can't be done in a 767?

Why would the Muslim terrorists be living it up on gambling, coke and hookers if it wasn't their last day on Earth?
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Postby bionic » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:30 am

capricorn wrote:9/11: A Conspiracy Theory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGT ... r_embedded



What's fucked and really scary..is..that's what really happened..and you should really be asking yourself is, "How could, THAT be?"
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Postby zoltan2 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:00 am

We have General Mahmoud Ahmed, HEAD of the Pakistani ISI wire Muhammed Atta(the lead highjacker in 911) 100,000,dollars. Then on the morning of 9/11 had a series of top level meetings with the White House, The Pentagon, The National Security council, GEORGE TENAT, the head of the CIA and Mark Grossman, the under-secretary of state for political affairs. Do you understand WTF just happened? No coincidence Graham and Goss would subsequently become the chairmen of the 9/11 Joint Inquiry. Perhaps needless to say, their report was silent on the matter in question.


Why would the lead high jacker Muhammed Atta, need 100,000 dollars when he is intent on committing suicide.

1. Gambling. Sounds plausible? But again, lets question the purpose. Why do people gamble? To win MORE MONEY. If you lose money in the process, isn’t the point. Why would Atta try to Gamble to win more money when a day or so later he is gonna die!? It makes NO SENSE, NONE.

2. Spending the 100,000 on food. Trust me, no man could spend 100,000 on food a day or so before the attack and be expected to eat it all.

3. Prostitutes or Women in strip clubs.Even if Atta went to a strip club the women wouldn’t charge 100,000 or 50,000 or 20,000, or 10,000 for a damn lap dance, a blowjob, or even sex. It’s nonsensical to even consider this.

4. Spend the money on Clothes. Wait your about to die in 1 or 2 days, it defeats the purpose of wearing the clothes when ya gonna die the next day! You won’t be needing them where you’re going.

5. Hotel stay. Once again, Atta damn sure wouldnt need 100,000 for a night or even a "2 week stay" at the best hotel in the city.

So what is it

6. Atta wasn’t planning on dying but going into hiding living off that money.

There you have it you pick the one that makes the most sense. So now that all that has been established, Atta has 100,000 to go commit suicide, the person who wired it to him was having meeting in Washington the morning of 911 with top level officials, and........he got away with it.



It was the Israeli Mossad and their fifth columnists within this country, working with American traitors loyal to the Zionists cause, including elements within the C.I.A. (which they have infiltrated) that pulled off 911.

Intelligence agencies, financiers, terrorists and narco-criminals have a long history together is well established, but the Nugan Hand Bank, BCCI, Banco Ambrosiano, the P2 Lodge, the CIA/Mafia anti-Castro/Kennedy alliance, Iran/Contra for example.

Jonathan Bush’s Riggs Bank has been found guilty of laundering terrorist funds and fined a US-record $25 million must embarrass his nephew George.

George Bush's brother Marvin sat on the board of the Kuwaiti-owned company which provided electronic security to the World Trade Centre, Dulles Airport and United Airlines.

That George Bush found success as a businessman only after the investment of Osama’s brother Salem and reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mahfouz is just one of those things - one of those crazy things.

That Osama bin Laden is known to have been an asset of US foreign policy in no way implies he still is.

That al Qaeda was active in the Balkan conflict, fighting on the same side as the US as recently as 1999, while the US protected its cells.

The claims of Michael Springman, State Department veteran of the Jeddah visa bureau, that the CIA ran the office and issued visas to al Qaeda members so they could receive training in the United States..

That one of George Bush's first acts as President, in January 2001, was to end the two-year deployment of attack submarines which were positioned within striking distance of al Qaeda's Afghanistan camps.

That so many influential figures in and close to the Bush White House had expressed, just a year before the attacks, the need for a "new Pearl Harbor" before their militarist ambitions could be fulfilled.

That the company PTECH, founded by a Saudi financier placed on America’s Terrorist Watch List in October 2001, had access to the FAA’s entire computer system for two years before the 9/11..

That whistle blower Indira Singh was told to keep her mouth shut and forget what she learned when she took her concerns about PTECH to her employers and federal authorities, suggests she lacked the big picture. And that the Chief Auditor for JP Morgan Chase told Singh repeatedly, as she answered questions about who supplied her with what information, that "that person should be killed," .

That on May 8, 2001, Dick Cheney took upon himself the job of co-ordinating a response to domestic terror attacks even as he was crafting the administration’s energy policy which bore implications for America's military, circumventing the established infrastructure and ignoring the recommendations of the Hart-Rudman report.

That the standing order which covered the shooting down of hijacked aircraft was altered on June 1, 2001, taking discretion away from field commanders and placing it solely in the hands of the Secretary of Defense, is simply poor planning and unfortunate timing. Fortunately the error has been corrected, as the order was rescinded shortly after 9/11.

That in the weeks before 9/11, FBI agent Colleen Rowley found her investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui so perversely thwarted that her colleagues joked that bin Laden had a mole at the FBI, proves the stress-relieving virtue of humour in the workplace.

That Dave Frasca of the FBI’s Radical Fundamentalist Unit received a promotion after quashing multiple, urgent requests for investigations into al Qaeda assets training at flight schools in the summer of 2001 does appear on the surface odd, but undoubtedly there's a good reason for it, quite possibly classified.

That FBI informant Randy Glass, working an undercover sting, was told by Pakistani intelligence operatives that the World Trade Center towers were coming down, and that his repeated warnings which continued until weeks before the attacks, including the mention of planes used as weapons, were ignored by federal authorities.

That over the summer of 2001 Washington received many urgent, senior-level warnings from foreign intelligence agencies and governments - including those of Germany, France, Great Britain, Russia, Egypt, Israel, Morocco, Afghanistan and others - of impending terror attacks using hijacked aircraft and did nothing, demonstrates the pressing need for a new Intelligence Czar.

That John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial aircraft in July 2001 on account of security considerations had nothing to do with warnings regarding September 11, because he said so to the 9/11 Commission.

That former lead counsel for the House David Schippers says he’d taken to John Ashcroft’s office specific warnings he’d learned from FBI agents in New York of an impending attack – even naming the proposed dates, names of the hijackers and the targets – and that the investigations had been stymied and the agents threatened, proves nothing but David Schipper’s pathetic need for attention.

That Garth Nicolson received two warnings from contacts in the intelligence community and one from a North African head of state, which included specific site, date and source of the attacks, and passed the information to the Defense Department and the National Security Council to evidently no effect, clearly amounts to nothing, since virtually nobody has ever heard of him.

That in the months prior to September 11, self-described US intelligence operative Delmart Vreeland sought, from a Toronto jail cell, to get US and Canadian authorities to heed his warning of his accidental discovery of impending catastrophic attacks is worthless, since Vreeland was a dubious character, notwithstanding the fact that many of his claims have since been proven true.

That FBI Special Investigator Robert Wright claims that agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution, that the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and that he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism.

That George Bush had plans to invade Afghanistan on his desk before 9/11 demonstrates only the value of being prepared.





It's true that George HW Bush and Dick Cheney spent the evening of September 10 alone in the Oval Office? And it's true that George HW Bush and Shafig bin Laden, Osama's brother, spent the morning of September 11 together at a board meeting of the Carlyle Group.

That FEMA arrived in New York on Sept 10 to prepare for a scheduled bio warfare drill, and had a triage centre ready to go that was larger and better equipped than the one that was lost in the collapse of WTC 7.

Newsweek’s report that senior Pentagon officials cancelled flights on Sept 10 for the following day on account of security concerns is only newsworthy because of what happened the following morning.

That George Bush's telephone logs for September 11 do not exist should surprise no one, given the confusion of the day.

That Mohamed Atta attended the International Officer's School at Maxwell Air Force Base, that Abdulaziz Alomari attended Brooks Air Force Base Aerospace Medical School, that Saeed Alghamdi attended the Defense Language Institute in Monterey.

That Lt Col Steve Butler, Vice Chancellor for student affairs of the Defense Language Institute during Alghamdi's terms, was disciplined, removed from his post and threatened with court martial when he wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain," is the least that should have happened for such disrespect shown his Commander in Chief.

That Mohammed Atta dressed like a Mafioso, had a stripper girlfriend, smuggled drugs, was already a licensed pilot when he entered the US, enjoyed pork chops, drank to excess and did cocaine, was closer to Europeans than Arabs in Florida, and included the names of defense contractors on his email list, proves how dangerous the radical fundamentalist Muslim can be.

That 43 lbs of heroin was found on board the Lear Jet owned by Wally Hilliard, the owner of Atta’s flight school, just three weeks after Atta enrolled – the biggest seizure ever in Central Florida – was just bad luck. That Hilliard was not charged shows how specious the claims for conspiracy truly are.

That Hilliard’s plane had made 30-round trips to Venezuela with the same passengers who always paid cash, that the plane had been supplied by a pair of drug smugglers who had also outfitted CIA drug runner Barry Seal, and that 9/11 commissioner Richard ben-Veniste had been Seal’s attorney before Seal’s murder, shows nothing but the lengths to which conspiracists will go to draw sinister conclusions.

Reports of insider trading on 9/11 are false, because the SEC investigated and found only respectable investors who will remain nameless involved, and no terrorists, so the windfall profit-taking was merely, as ever, coincidental.

That heightened security for the World Trade Centre was lifted immediately prior to the attacks illustrates that it always happens when you least expect it.

That Hani Hanjour, the pilot of Flight 77, was so incompetent he could not fly a Cessna in August, but in September managed to fly a 767 at excessive speed into a spiraling, 270-degree descent and a level impact of the first floor of the Pentagon, on the only side that was virtually empty and had been hardened to withstand a terrorist attack, merely demonstrates that people can do almost anything once they set their minds to it.

That none of the flight data recorders were said to be recoverable even though they were located in the tail sections, and that until 9/11, no solid-state recorder in a catastrophic crash had been unrecoverable, shows how there's a first time for everything.

That Mohammed Atta left a uniform, a will, a Koran, his driver's license and a "how to fly planes" video in his rental car at the airport means he had other things on his mind.

The mention of Israelis with links to military-intelligence having been arrested on Sept 11 videotaping and celebrating the attacks, of an Israeli espionage ring surveiling DEA and defense installations and trailing the hijackers, and of a warning of impending attacks delivered to the Israeli company Odigo two hours before the first plane hit, does not deserve a response. That the stories also appeared in publications such as Ha'aretz and Forward is a sad display of self-hatred among certain elements of the Israeli media.

That multiple military wargames and simulations were underway the morning of 9/11 – one simulating the crash of a plane into a building; another, a live-fly simulation of multiple hijackings – and took many interceptors away from the eastern seaboard and confused field commanders as to which was a real hijacked aircraft and which was a hoax, was a bizarre coincidence, but no less a coincidence.

That the National Military Command Center ops director asked a rookie substitute to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11 is nothing more than bad timing.

That a recording made Sept 11 of air traffic controllers’ describing what they had witnessed, was destroyed by an FAA official who crushed it in his hand, cut the tape into little pieces and dropped them in different trash cans around the building, is something no doubt that overzealous official wishes he could undo.

That the FBI knew precisely which Florida flight schools to descend upon hours after the attacks should make every American feel safer knowing their federal agents are on the ball.

That a former flight school executive believes the hijackers were "double agents," and says about Atta and associates, "Early on I gleaned that these guys had government protection. They were let into this country for a specific purpose," and was visited by the FBI just four hours after the attacks to intimidate him into silence, proves he's an unreliable witness, for the simple reason there is no conspiracy.

That Jeb Bush was on board an aircraft that removed flight school records to Washington in the middle of the night on Sept 12th demonstrates how seriously the governor takes the issue of national security.

To insinuate evil motive from the mercy flights of bin Laden family members and Saudi royals after 9/11 shows the sickness of the conspiratorial mindset.

Le Figaro’s report in October 2001, known to have originated with French intelligence, that the CIA met Osama bin Laden in a Dubai hospital in July 2001, proves again the perfidy of the French.

That the tape in which bin Laden claims responsibility for the attacks was released by the State Department after having been found providentially by US forces in Afghanistan, and depicts a fattened Osama with a broader face and a flatter nose, proves Osama, and Osama alone, masterminded 9/11.

That at the battle of Tora Bora, where bin Laden was surrounded on three sides, Special Forces received no order to advance and capture him and were forced to stand and watch as two Russian-made helicopters flew into the area where bin Laden was believed hiding, loaded up passengers and returned to Pakistan, demonstrates how confusing the modern battlefield can be.

That upon returning to Fort Bragg from Tora Bora, the same Special Operations troops who had been stood down from capturing bin Laden, suffered a unusual spree of murder/suicides, is nothing more than a series of senseless tragedies.

Reports that bin Laden is currently receiving periodic dialysis treatment in a Pakistani medical hospital are simply too incredible to be true.


That Republican guru Grover Norquist has been found to have aided financiers and supporters of Islamic terror to gain access to the Bush White House, and is a founder of the Islamic Institute, which the Treasury Department believes to be a source of funding for al Qaeda.
That the Department of Justice consistently chooses to see accused 9/11 plotters go free rather than permit the courtroom testimony of al Qaeda leaders in American custody looks bad, but only because we don't have all the facts.

That the White House balked at any inquiry into the events of 9/11, then starved it of funds and stonewalled it, was unfortunate, but since the commission didn't find for conspiracy it's all a non issue anyway.

That the 9/11 commission's executive director and "gatekeeper," Philip Zelikow, was so closely involved in the events under investigation that he testified before the the commission as part of the inquiry, shows only an apparent conflict of interest.

That commission chair Thomas Kean is, like George Bush, a Texas oil executive who had business dealings with reputed al Qaeda financier Khalid bin Mafouz, suggests Texas is smaller than they say it is.

That co-chair Lee Hamilton has a history as a Bush family "fixer," including clearing Bush Sr of the claims arising from the 1980 "October Surprise", is of no concern, since only conspiracists believe there was such a thing as an October Surprise.

That FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds accuses the agency of intentionally fudging specific pre-9/11 warnings and harboring a foreign espionage ring in its translation department, and claims she witnessed evidence of the semi-official infrastructure of money-laundering and narcotics trade behind the attacks, is of no account, since John Ashcroft has gagged her with the rare invocation of "State Secrets Privilege," and retroactively classified her public testimony.

That, when commenting on Edmond's case, Daniel Ellsberg remarked that Ashcroft could go to prison for his part in a cover-up, suggests Ellsberg is giving comfort to the terrorists, and could, if he doesn't wise up, find himself declared an enemy combatant.
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:44 am

CodeBlackv2 wrote:There is nothing wrong with asking questions and you should be asking questions about that "piece" and who was behind it and what their agenda is, and what they actually know vs. what they are only theorizing.

I'll start the questioning...

Why would the gov need to torture suspects if it wasn't the terrorists of which we were told?

Why does the "piece" say the gov didn't care about who funded 9/11 when we saw the results of several years of well publicized investigations exposing that funding (Muslim organizations, some in the US)?

How do they know what can and can't be done in a 767?

Why would the Muslim terrorists be living it up on gambling, coke and hookers if it wasn't their last day on Earth?



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Why did Cheney and Bush refuse to testify on the Record?
Why no independent investigation?
Why the need to hand pick from those within?
Where was John O'Neils body found? Who identified it?
Why were the twins less than half occupied that morning?
How many people actually died that day? The numbers vary by the hundreds!!!!!
Why are less than a few hundred registered on the National SOCIAL SECURITY Death list?
Why do you say " MUSLIM TERRORISTS "? 8-) 8-) 8-)
Oh---nothing happened in Building 7---------So how did O'Neil die anyway?

Maybe you should call the FBI and ask em all about it! :lol:

I think I'll have myself a thrill week-end and go rent 767..................I'll just take it around the block a time or two!!! :dance: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You couldn't be anymore asinine! Mr Black!

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Postby Cole_Trickle » Wed Feb 15, 2012 5:06 am

Back in the summer Danny Jowenko died in a single vehicle accident. Here in the states if you were not paying attention then you'd have never known about it. They claimed it to be an accident, maybe it truly was who knows. Some of the spooks think otherwise, but few active members will dare to mention it while still employed.

Anyway this 9-11 business is the largest of stains upon American history, worse is the attitude in regard to the truth. How do I know---------simple.

Just read some of the comments scattered about the web in regard to Danny....and his death. I truly wonder just how warped and twisted some of these people really are.......One can only hope that collectively they avg an age of about 12 with an IQ of about 90.

RIP Danny.

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Postby CodeBlackv2 » Thu Feb 16, 2012 7:29 pm

Dare I ask? Who was Danny Jowenko?
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