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Postby greywolfe » Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:29 am

I don't understand how democracy and the free market works. How can all countries and all businesses all be successful all of the time. All news reports seem to point to this utopia as being an achievable goal but surely if one business wins a contract then their competitors loose. If we simplify the model to an imaginary village containing just ten people each of which has their own product to sell. We have say a butcher, a tailor, a builder, a blacksmith and so on. If the blacksmith's uplift on his product is payed for then the builders costs go up which in turn makes the blacksmiths cost go up thus forcing his products price up to pay for it. This simple model is surely true for a village of ten people or for a world of 10 billion. For people to win in this "game" - there must be loosers. Why do news reels avoid this obvious reality. I would like to hear statistics quantifying how many companies/countries are winning and how many are loosing. These figures would always surely reveal the winners to loosers ratio must remain balanced. Is there a system by which all players can win. Maybe I'm missing the point. A recent example of this was seen in the U.K where a contract for railway carriages was awarded by the U.K government to a German company. There was uproar in the British press at the governments decision to by abroad but as both Germans & English people are in the European Union - surely we should care about our brothers in Germany with equal concern as we do our fellow countrymen. The financial success stories on this planet are those who have beaten their competitors in the costs verses profits race and then held their margins long enough to stash some cash away. That cash can then be invested in say properties to rent, providing constant income from the loosers who become tenants of these dwellings. What I,m saying is that for the rich to exist there must always be the poor. Can anyone enlighten me to an alternative model please.
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Postby bionic » Mon Aug 08, 2011 10:29 pm

it's called sharing

like with the three musketeers..
all for one..one for all

of course, greed always gets in the way of this utopian ideal

but it is achievable, I beleive

but I might be being naive
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Postby greywolfe » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:12 pm

But sharing = no profit /no loss trading = communism. So is this the answer and can humans run this system in the pure form required to make it work. Possibly ?
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Postby greeney2 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:27 am

Can anyone enlighten me to an alternative model please.


The system can not work with only a rich and poor class, since it wall resort to slavery and monopoly. When you have a middle class they are the buffer so the rich can not completly dominate. If the economy is healthy everyone can can function, but when the extremely wealthy controls some of the key elements, like Oil, it make it pretty hard. The USA seems to control much of the argriculture but instead of using it as a weapon we give it away. When a country allows outsoursing like this it kills the system, like in the UK or USA. California just outsoursed the segments of a bridge to be built in Korea, on Taxpayers dollars, which should be illegal.
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