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50 U.S. Churches To Read From The Quran On Sunday

What do you think

Please post the list of Mosques that participated, reading from the Bible or Torah, as a counterpart to only churches listed reading from the Quran. Also the list of Jewish synagoges that read from the Quran.

I think it looks very one-sided to me.


Qmark saying he would walk out, is not a bad thing, or even wrong. Worship service means exactly what it implies. Most worship services are structured and have a accepted form, in which they are done. Forinstance a Catholic Mass has orderly parts of a Mass, and altering that structure would be only done on a worldwide level, and only by some major reforming of a Mass stucture, coming from the Vatican. It also includes the reading of the Gospel, and recieving the Sacraments, during a worship service, injecting the reading from the Quran or Torah, would be sacreligous. Worship is a time for reflecion on God, ones self, The Gospel, and recieving the Sacrament of Communion. It is a time where we reaffirm our Faith to the God we Worship, who died on the Cross for us. Including the readings of another Faith, would be imporper.


Including reading or studying the Quran or Torah outside of worship, included with Bible studies or discussions would not be a conflict, but included within the worship service itself is. I think it is very improper, any Catholic Priest who did it would be excommunicated, as well as many other ministers, for altering a approved sturcture of worship service. That would be regarded as a very serious offence, in the highest levels of most religions. I would also be surprized if the Jewish or Muslim faiths, would also have a similar opinion that this sign of tolerance is not something that should be included in worship. I did not see them doing the same thing.

greeney2 wrote:The statistics proove you under a misconception either way you are trying to discribe what you mean. Like I said I'm not going to go over this again and agian for you, and your accessment of facts and figures, persentages and what they mean, is painfully lacking. AGAIN!

I thought baiting was to catch fish.
You can conclude what you want its no skin off my teeth
Your comments to me is as lacking of interest as your spelling:
proove
discribe
agian
accessment
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As a moderator you should take a grip of yourself
and don't give the Blackvault a low level grammar school level.
You sure are lacking in spelling which is the ABC of culture.


IMO You are all emotional and full of spite .

Love the song by Elvis Presley:

You ain't nothing but a hound dog.

You ain't nothin' but a hound dog
Cryin' all the time
You ain't nothin' but a hound dog
Cryin' all the time
Well, you ain't never caught a rabbit
And you ain't no friend of mine

Well they said you was high-classed
Well, that was just a lie
Yeah they said you was high-classed
Well, that was just a lie
Well, you ain't never caught a rabbit
And you ain't no friend of mine

Can you provide a list of Jewish and Muslim counterparts to this Worship gesture, that they also read from other books?

qmark wrote:

tichan wrote:

qmark wrote:Do we need a religion? No.

Do we need Jesus Christ? Absolutely.

If I was in a church that started to read the Koran, I would get up and walk out or I would just tune out that particular service and never go back.

Why

Are you asking why do we need Jesus? See below.
Because of who He is and what He has accomplished. He is the way, the truth, and the life. No one goes to the Father except through Him. He is the door, anyone who enters through Him will be saved. Those are Jesus’ words.

Are you asking why I would walk out? See above.

The Quotes are not mine.
I did not ask anything

Tichan you asked him to explain Why!

greeney2 wrote:Tichan you asked him to explain Why!

qmark wrote:Do we need a religion? No.

Do we need Jesus Christ? Absolutely.

If I was in a church that started to read the Koran, I would get up and walk out or I would just tune out that particular service and never go back.

My question why is for

Why do we need Jesus absolutely. There are billions of people who are not Christians on this earth.
Why would you qmark walk out of church if the church reads passages of the Koran.


Dozens of Christian churches, from Park Hill Congregational in Denver to Hillview United Methodist in Boise, Idaho, and First United Lutheran in San Francisco to St. Elizabeth’s Episcopal Church in Honolulu, are planning to send “a message both here at home and to the Arab and Muslim world about our respect for Islam” with a time to read the Quran during worship this Sunday.

http://www.thoughtsfromaconservativemom.com/?p=22908

It’s not just wrong, but dangerous, according to Christian trends analysts.

The aim of the program, which is promoted by social activists behind the Faith Shared website, is to counter the message from Islamic activists who say opposition to their religion is the product of what they call a cottage industry of hate.

So the Interfaith Alliance and Human Rights First is calling on Christian clergy to read portions of the Quran during their services Sunday.

The readings, supporters say, will “counter the anti-Muslim bigotry and negative stereotypes that have erupted throughout the country in the past year and led to misconceptions, distrust and in some cases, violence.”

ri Gellar or Samantha Friedman,Rabinowitz/Dorf Communications
202-265-3000 | ari@rabinowitz-dorf.com
Faith Shared – June 26, 2011

For Immediate Release: May 17, 2011


The National Cathedral in Washington, D.C. along with 50 churches in 26 states have already joined the effort

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2011/05 ... e-26-2011/

Washington, D.C. – Christian clergy at churches across the country will host readings from the Qur’an and other sacred religious texts as they welcome their Muslim and Jewish colleagues on Sunday, June 26, 2011 for Faith Shared: Uniting in Prayer and Understanding. Faith Shared is a project of Interfaith Alliance and Human Rights First, which seeks to send a message both here at home and to the Arab and Muslim world about our respect for Islam. The National Cathedral in Washington, DC, along with 50 churches in 26 states have committed to participating in this effort. Other participating churches include Christ Church in New York City and All Saints Church in Pasadena, Calif. A full list of participating houses of worship can be found at faithshared.org.

Faith Shared seeks to counter the Anti-Muslim bigotry and negative stereotypes that have erupted throughout the country in the past year and led to misconceptions, distrust and in some cases, violence. This countrywide, day-long event will engage faith leaders on the national and community levels in a conversation with their houses of worship, highlighting respect among people of different faiths. This event will help counter the common misperception abroad that most Americans are hostile to Islam. It will send a message that Americans respect Muslims and Islam, as they respect religious differences and freedom of religion in general.

Faith Shared is designed to reflect the mutual respect shared among so many Muslims, Christians, Jews and other Americans, as they stand together to oppose the negative images that have dominated domestic and international news.

“The anti-Muslim rhetoric that has pervaded our national conversation recently has shocked and saddened me,” said Interfaith Alliance President Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy. “Appreciation for pluralism and respect for religious freedom and other human rights are at the core of our democracy. We believe that demonstrating our commitment to those core American values will help counteract the intensified level of negative stereotypes and anti-Muslim bigotry in our recent public discourse.

“With Faith Shared, congregations will send a clear message to the world that Americans respect religious differences and reject bigotry and the demonization of Islam or any other religion,” said Human Rights First’s Tad Stahnke. “This message about the fundamental importance of religious freedom around the world is especially timely as President Obama prepares to reaffirm the United States’ support for democracy in the Middle East starting with a speech later this week.”

“Few things are more important for the future of our world than to respect, to honor, and to commit ourselves to the well-being of every person—to embrace a sense of humility before the vast mystery of God,” said National Cathedral Dean Sam Lloyd. “As Americans and as people of faith, we must use our great traditions to come together for mutual enrichment and understanding.”

At its core, this project will bring together Christian, Jewish and Muslim clergy to read from and hear from each other’s sacred texts. In doing so, they will serve as a model for respect and cooperation and create a concrete opportunity to build and strengthen working ties between and among faith communities moving forward.

For more information on this project, visit faithshared.org.


Interfaith Alliance celebrates religious freedom by championing individual rights, promoting policies that protect both religion and democracy, and uniting diverse voices to challenge extremism. Founded in 1994, Interfaith Alliance has 185,000 members across the country from 75 faith traditions as well as those without a faith tradition. For more information, visit www.interfaithalliance.org.

The United Nations has spent millions quietly studying how to make or mold all religions into a one world universal religion. The RCC is also working on this in order to mold Roman Catholicism over this template and claiming they are universal.

There are other groups who claim a type of universality but keep your own religion. For example Masons claim that All religions are the same religion, all gods are the same god. What they are claiming is that Freemasonry is the universal religion.

The problem with this happening in Christian Churches is that the Christian doctrine is that

"The child of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the child of the freewoman."

This comes from the New Testament in the 4th Chapter of the Book of Galatians.

The child of the bondwoman...Ishmael..through his mother Hagar...shall not be heir with the child of the freewoman..Sarah.

Here Paul is quoting from Genesis to show and illustrate what it means to those in the new testament

What the world is saying...and these so called Christian Preachers are agreeing with... is that the child of the bondwoman shall be heir with the child of the freewoman.
These preachers are carryinig out an Ishmaelite position...and ignoring Issac.
Mixing new wine with olde...leven with unleven.

This is also the UN position as well as the Freemasonic position. A type of universality.

The Bible and Christian position is that In Issac shall thy seed be called.

The world position is that in Ishmael shall thy seed be called.

The goal of most governments and the UN is to bring about the Kingdom of Ishmael and thus replace Issac. Same with the Lodges.
The United Nations is a blue lodge where all the member nations meet.

Thanks,
Orangetom

The goal of most governments and the UN is to bring about the Kingdom of Ishmael and thus replace Issac. Same with the Lodges.
The United Nations is a blue lodge where all the member nations meet.

So what you are saying is they want Islamazation world wide

tichan wrote:qmark wrote:Do we need a religion? No.

Do we need Jesus Christ? Absolutely.

If I was in a church that started to read the Koran, I would get up and walk out or I would just tune out that particular service and never go back.

My question why is for

Why do we need Jesus absolutely. There are billions of people who are not Christians on this earth.
Why would you qmark walk out of church if the church reads passages of the Koran.

I already stated why we need Jesus.

I would walk out of the church, or at least tune it out, if they were trying to feed me poison. A little bit of poison is still poison. It is fine to read the Quran in the context of contrasts and knowledge of the enemies lies(I'm not talking human here). However, for a preacher to stand up there and read it as if it had equal footing is outright blasphemous.

I do not respect Islam. Why would I respect a religion that is leading billions to hell? However, that is not a statement of hate as the Muslims are so quick to accuse and the "world" is too stupid to realize they are being used. You have no doubt heard a Christian say they hate the sin but love the sinner. And true it is. I don't hate these people, I feel sorry for them. It is out of love that Christians would want to see Muslims, or anybody else for that matter, come to Christ. The only way that can be accomplished is through love, not hate, but by exemplifying Jesus, not the "worlds" twisted idea of tolerance. If you think Jesus was tolerant, read again what He thought of a religious system that was leading people to hell in His day.

There is a spiritual war going on and it has eternal consequences. OrangeTom hit the head on the nail boiling it down to its most basic point although he uses terminology that might be difficult for some to understand. What is going on here is aimed at souls, not physical shells, and the One World Religion is the cornerstone to that broad road that leads to destruction.

These so called "christian" churches are in the throes of apostasy. They need to examine themselves against God's Word and not the "world's" opinion.

tichan wrote:The goal of most governments and the UN is to bring about the Kingdom of Ishmael and thus replace Issac. Same with the Lodges.
The United Nations is a blue lodge where all the member nations meet.

So what you are saying is they want Islamazation world wide

Tichan ,

Wow..close...not quite but close. Also very astute of you to make this connection.

What world class planners or engineers want is to return the world to a pre flood condition or the religion of Lucifer. They are Luciferians.

Islam is closer to Luciferianism and world class plans and designs than is Christianity. They want any and everything but Christian in place and in play..which is what was happening in pre flood days. Another way of putting it..is the glory of men. Man as god..or as GFW Hegel would say ..the State is God. Ie...Humanism. This is what was going on pre flood.

Islam is more conducive in this world class political template than is Christianity which is why so many of our institutes of higher learning are turning out Humanists and Atheists in droves...they are designed/engineered to do this very thing...by logic, by reason ...by gnostic religious beliefs....anything but Christianity.

Islam is only a stepping stone ..a tool in "Traveling " in this direction. A useful tool. Islam will be destroyed itself when the goals are achieved.

As I have stated before..most of our wars have been of one Ishmaelite religion or belief system at war with another Ishmaelite belief/religious system..but this is carefully hidden from most peoples. Most peoples today still try to blame these wars on religion ...particularly on Christianity. The history recorded tells a very different tale..by omission ..what is missing from the history taught today.

Ishmael is a archetype for the world and the god of this world. The worlds religions.

In Galatians it is used as part of the description or allegory for the two covenants. The Olde Covenant and the New Covenant.

What is stated is that those under the Olde Covenant ...Ishmael and his mother Hagar..shall not be heir to the promises of God as are Issac and his mother Sarah.

In Issac shall thy seed be called.

This world wants to go back to everyone under the Olde Testament and before ...Ishmael/bondage.

Ishmael is a type of the World system. Under Bondage.

This should be clear to those still capable of thinking for themselves by what is happening in nations deep in debt to the world banking systems..that they are about to sell the very souls of the peoples of these nations into bondage ..austerity measures as they have already done so in places like Argentina..and for many years now. In essence taking steps to put these peoples of these nations into Bondage. This is what happens in nations using phony fiat money systems/deficit spending. They go into bondage..lose their very souls and productive capability..self determinaton/liberty...to the bankers/politicians who work for them.
You are seeing the evidence of a religion at work here.

Thanks,
Orangetom