The Black Vault

I never said it was a fact, just my personal theory. When I read that this phenomenon wasn't happening to organically raised bees, I realized there had to be some factor that effected conventional bees only. That rules out cell towers and cell phones since organically raised bees would come into contact with these as well. When I read that conventional bees are fed high fructose corn syrup to increase production, I combined that with the knowledge that most corn in this country is GMO and have come up with this theory.

What other factors are different between conventionally raised bees and organic bees? Those are the factors you'd want to concentrate on.

And yes, GMO is interchangeable with GM. GM is genetically modified and GMO is genetically modified organism. I use GMO so it isn't confused with the car company.

Nesaie wrote:I never said it was a fact, just my personal theory. When I read that this phenomenon wasn't happening to organically raised bees, I realized there had to be some factor that effected conventional bees only. That rules out cell towers and cell phones since organically raised bees would come into contact with these as well. When I read that conventional bees are fed high fructose corn syrup to increase production, I combined that with the knowledge that most corn in this country is GMO and have come up with this theory.

What other factors are different between conventionally raised bees and organic bees? Those are the factors you'd want to concentrate on.

And yes, GMO is interchangeable with GM. GM is genetically modified and GMO is genetically modified organism. I use GMO so it isn't confused with the car company.

Gotcha. Ok well the article I cited is lacking since it only says your theory "has drawbacks."

Can you tell me which of your links shows that only man-raised bees are dying?

speaking of bumbles..
I have a bumble bee living under my back patio..it is always flying in and out of a crack down there in the cement..it's cute..but I am considering Raiding it and the crack it's livign in..for I know it's building a little bumble bee colony down there and given enough time..many bumble bees..which on one level would be cool..as the earht needs them..but do I really want a bunch of bees all over the place while I try to enjoy a beer on the back porch? selfishness..vs. selfless ness..ugh

holding to see how it goes..maye we can share the space
we'll see

it's..a quandry

bionic wrote:speaking of bumbles..
I have a bumble bee living under my back patio..it is always flying in and out of a crack down there in the cement..it's cute..but I am considering Raiding it and the crack it's livign in..for I know it's building a little bumble bee colony down there and given enough time..many bumble bees..which on one level would be cool..as the earht needs them..but do I really want a bunch of bees all over the place while I try to enjoy a beer on the back porch? selfishness..vs. selfless ness..ugh

holding to see how it goes..maye we can share the space
we'll see

it's..a quandry

No quandry. Kill the bastards.

Yeah, it's not like you're gassing every bumblebee in existence. What if Joey is allergic to them?

hm..
we'll just have to wait and see..bumbles don't bite/sting, If I recall correctly

Apparently, the information about organic bees not dying goes back to one source, Sharon Labchuk. I can't find any other source talking about it. But, I find many articles linking to her statements like the following:

http://www.dirtdoctor.com/Bee-Colony-Co ... vq1851.htm

Also, in more research I found that there are more differences in the treatment of conventionally raised bees compared to organic bees here:

http://bushfarms.com/bees.htm

On a personal note, I took a walk through a park the other day. I was walking through a bunch of clover and it seemed that most flowers had a bumble bee in them. I was worried about stepping on one and getting stung, but that didn't happen. The only thing is, I didn't see many of the little black bees. Maybe because they're so small and I was worried about getting stung. But, there were a lot of bumble bees.

So . . . are you concerned about bees, or Bible prophecy? Or are you just ticked off at Monsanto? Do you believe Bible prophecy is being fulfilled?

Yes, I'm concerned about the bees and I hate monsanto. It seems that monsanto's whole goal is to poison humans, plants and animals. Their purpose appears to be death. But, maybe that should be discussed in the health area.

As far as Biblical "prophesy", I dunno. As you well know, I'm not a "christian" nor will I ever call myself that name again. I've had friends in the past that were Jehovah's Witnesses and from discussions I've gleaned that they basically live in Revelations. I was also baptised Mormon aka "latter day saints". The last I looked, saints had to be dead first. But, I digress... Revelations is a difficult book. It's full of symbolism and numerology. Maybe if we spoke a different language and had a different culture it may make more sense.

But, for me now? It's up for discussion, just like Ike or Sitchen. Discusing something doesn't mean I have to believe it.

I do find it interesting that so many different religions seem to call this era an end/beginning of an era. Alpha/Omega?

Well, personally, I wouldn’t mind seeing bees disappear. I understand they are important but they are such a picnic killer. While we’re at it, I wouldn’t mind seeing skunks disappear as well. As for Monsanto, and practically every other business as well, their last concern is people. The almighty dollar, or any other currency that is at the top of the heap, is their god and their concern. If a buck can be made in death, then so be it. Evil does exist, and it is entrenched in the world we live in, and it will remain so until the millennium.

Also, it would seem to me that between the Jehovah Witnesses and the Mormons, you were doomed from the get-go. Sorry to hear that. Anyway, every Christian should at least have one eye on the book of Revelation. I realize you aren’t a Christian but even spiritually dead atheists can see that things do not look good. What happens from that point on is certainly debatable but in our current situation there can be no doubt we are in a pickle. Hopefully it’s not a Monsanto pickle.

As for Biblical prophecy, is it not easy to visualize everything mentioned up to the point of the return of Jesus?