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Postby greeney2 » Sun May 10, 2009 10:05 am

Before you bite my head off for the wrong forum, this is a little followup to what I quoted in the Heaven post, to which Xfroto refused to answer. Lets see how he answers this one, if he/she will at all.

Even if one Christian religion believes this about the dancing and music, where is the concept of forgiveness, when we are all taught that forgiveness is a Christian virtue? Why are religions like Southern Baptists who claim to be good Christians, the harshest and least forgiving? Spare the rod and spoil the child! Why is this a fair punishment, to make this 17 year old miss his graduation, a celebration of 12 years of hard work and school vs one night at the prom. The punishment definatly does not fit the crime, it is disporportionate to what he did, assuming he did anything wrong at all. Aside from the fact it has nothing to do with what he did, if will remain a life long sentence in this kids mind. Going to a dance does not deserve a punishment with lifelong consequences. If an eye for an eye is the yardstick, this is in no way a balanced punishment.

If you think you can answer X, than enlighten all of us how one religion can decuct a senior prom is sinful, and other Christian religions don't inturpet that at all? Why isn't every Christian religion the same?

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FINDLAY, Ohio – An Ohio teenager says he expects to be suspended from a Christian school for attending a public school prom with his girlfriend.

Officials at Heritage Christian School in Findlay had warned 17-year-old Tyler Frost that he would be suspended and prohibited from attending graduation if he went to the Saturday dance. The fundamentalist Baptist school in northwest Ohio forbids dancing, rock music and hand holding.

Frost says he went to the dance because he wanted to experience the prom and didn't think it was wrong.

School officials say he could complete his final exams separately to receive a diploma.

Frost's stepfather says the rules shouldn't apply outside of school and he may take legal action if Frost is suspended.
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Postby mael » Sun May 10, 2009 1:03 pm

In answer to your last question:- There are innumerable brands of the Christian religion because those who control all the religions need to have most of the lemmings at each other's throats.

The reason for this is to keep you busy arguing against your neighbours and relatives so as to prevent you from noticing how you are being stripped of your cash, your heritage and your countries.

Commonsense, intelligence and rationality are excluded as far as possible. If the subject of religion were to be examined as one would examine a case in a courtroom then religions would be thrown out.

And who controls the Christian religion? Who are their bankers? Who do they owe money to? (It's the money-lenders).
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Postby Aquatank » Sun May 10, 2009 3:34 pm

Actually, I've seen similar kinds of rules in several different school handbooks. It doesn't have anything to do with Religion so much as the school being able to exert authority of students to govern behavoir.

An example of this kind of rule in some towns is the college off campus party. If students live in non-campus housing but throw a wild party the campus police are to respond.

The high school stuff is generally the same, private school even tougher. And getting busted for such group code violations as part of the legislature are among the worst.
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Postby greeney2 » Mon May 11, 2009 9:32 am

Aquatank there is a big difference between rules to not have wild parties, and going to a sactioned and chaporoned senior prom or school dance.

The punishment does not fit the offence in this case.
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Postby Aquatank » Mon May 11, 2009 5:08 pm

I'm sorry you misunderstood the example. Many schools have codes of conduct that students are expected to adhere to on and off campus during and after school hours. Blatantly breaking those codes usually ends the student in trouble within the school system. Private schools tend to have more rigourous codes and enforcement than non-private. The private schools often end up in sqaubbles similar to this with parents over school codes. This isn't the first time.

Take a look at this code of conduct example:
The Code is in force while the student is traveling to and from school, including, but not necessarily
limited to, schoolsponsored
events, field trips, athletic functions, and other activities where
appropriate administrators have jurisdiction over students. Additionally, the Principal is authorized
to take administrative action when a student's misconduct away from school is having, or could
have, a detrimental effect on the other students or on the orderly educational process.

At such times as the student commits an act off school grounds which if committed on school grounds would be in violation of the Code of Student Conduct, the act has a nexus to the school, and, the act disrupts or is likely to disrupt the school environment;

In the case of the Findley student we see a potential for disruption of the strict school environment which is against dancing, rock music and hand holding. By openly defying this code of conduct he encourages dissent and open flaunting of school rules by other students. As such it is similar to an act of civil obedience.

Complicating things is this idea
II. Contract Rights/Law of Associations

In the right situation, the legal remedy most likely to protect the student journalist in a private school is a claim based on a breach of the guidelines or rules established by the private school itself.

Those catalogs, student handbooks and recruiting brochures distributed by schools usually contain pages of policies, regulations and rules. Many courts have ruled that distribution of these documents and the offer of admission to the school, both of which include explicit and implicit promises, and an acceptance and payment of tuition by a student creates a contractual relationship.[2] Other courts have found that the law of associations, rather than strict contract law, is more appropriate to the student/private school relationship.[3] The law of associations has been applied to private schools, churches, civic groups and other private organizations to address situations where contract rights, property rights and other personal rights merge. While the legal theories vary slightly, the general notion is the same: where a private school voluntarily establishes a set of guidelines or rules, it must adhere to them. Otherwise, there exists a breach of a legally enforceable promise for which a student may obtain legal relief.

For example, a private university is not legally required to establish a procedure that provides a student the opportunity to respond when the school wants to take action against him or her, such as a hearing to answer a charge that could result in a student’s expulsion. With no government rules to guide it, a private school can generally expel a student for no reason. However, if that school has a written policy outlining the procedures to be followed in a student disciplinary action, those procedures must be followed.[4] If not, there is a breach of contract or associational promise and the student may seek damages or reinstatement. This “due process” does not need to meet the standards of the federal Constitution, but it does need to meet standards specified in the student handbook, catalog or other policy statement.
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Postby greeney2 » Mon May 11, 2009 11:34 pm

A public school would not have the right to enforce punishments for behavior out of school short of a criminal act affecting other students.

I understand the concept of privates schools having rules like this. If you do not agree with them you are free to goto another school or the public school.

I'm alot more concerned about xfroto disappearing from the Heaven post and ignoring answering this one.
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Postby Aquatank » Tue May 12, 2009 5:39 am

I'm not agreeing with the policies public or private, different states different schools different laws regarding them. I'm just saying its less religion than school administrations' cracking down on what they percieve as a threat to student order.

I'll give you a local example, the local university had an issue a few months ago and the students decided to protest by getting an online petition signed through facebook, the university blocked the move by blocking facebook access through its web filters to all university run accounts (meaning students and faculty accounts). Note this is a public university.

Disent and rebellion by students is something schools will not tollerate.
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Postby Dark-Samus » Tue May 12, 2009 6:47 am

Maybe he really is hovering in the heavens right now :lol: :mrgreen:

And concerning a normal prom.
Anyone who thinks this is a bad idea or a sin is really just a dull-headed creature who does not know what it means to have fun at all. :roll:
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Postby jwebb » Tue May 12, 2009 8:48 am

Haha... Christians...
There can be no faith in government if our highest offices are excused from scrutiny - they should be setting the example of transparency.
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Postby greeney2 » Tue May 12, 2009 8:56 am

Is this a matter of rebellion or a kid wanting to take his girlfriend on a date?
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