The Black Vault

A version of the cosmological argument could be stated as follows:

1. Every finite and contingent being has a cause.
2. A causal loop cannot exist.
3. A causal chain cannot be of infinite length.
4. Therefore, a First Cause (or something that is not an effect) must exist.

According to the argument, the existence of the Universe requires an explanation, and the creation of the Universe by a First Cause, generally assumed to be God, is that explanation.

at1with0 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument

A version of the cosmological argument could be stated as follows:

1. Every finite and contingent being has a cause.
2. A causal loop cannot exist.
3. A causal chain cannot be of infinite length.
4. Therefore, a First Cause (or something that is not an effect) must exist.

According to the argument, the existence of the Universe requires an explanation, and the creation of the Universe by a First Cause, generally assumed to be God, is that explanation.

My question is regarding #3.
Why not??

bionic wrote:I think everything always is , and was and will be
I think needing a..no..wait.. ASSUMING a beginning (like how I did that?)is smallish, linear thinking
nothingness exists in theory only, I believe

it seems as if we use a zero..the way states, countries, regiones use a border

at1with0 wrote:A beginning would suggest a 1st cause.

An unmoved mover.

Two monks were watching a flag flapping in the wind. One said to the other, "The flag is moving."
The other replied, "The wind is moving."
Huineng overheard this. He said, "Not the flag, not the wind; mind is moving."