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Postby DIss0n80r » Fri May 06, 2011 8:26 am

What really makes any statement (such as 2 + 2 = 4) true?

Is it possible for a truth to exist that absolutely cannot be known?
If so, what makes it true?

If nothing existed, would the truth still exist?
Would it still be true that nothing existed?
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Postby bionic » Fri May 06, 2011 8:42 pm

the sun comes up each day..it gives a false sense of reliabity, I guess
WHY???
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Postby DIss0n80r » Fri May 06, 2011 8:47 pm

The sun never rises. :twisted:
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Postby bionic » Fri May 06, 2011 8:54 pm

oh..sorry the earth rotates around it.
insomniacs/"sexy vampires" like us..just hardly, ever get to see it.
That makes it..like a treat. (to be appreciated)

( like candy corn)
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Postby DIss0n80r » Fri May 06, 2011 9:24 pm

It burns! :shock:

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Postby at1with0 » Sat May 07, 2011 8:54 pm

DIss0n80r wrote:What really makes any statement (such as 2 + 2 = 4) true?

Is it possible for a truth to exist that absolutely cannot be known?
If so, what makes it true?

If nothing existed, would the truth still exist?
Would it still be true that nothing existed?


Very interesting questions, Beavis.

Checked the wiki article on it...seems more dizzying than enlightening.
It seems like statements can have various degrees of truth.
Absolutely true (tautological)
Conditionally true
False
None of the Above.

Perhaps truth is most useful as it applies to the analysis of language. Certain words like or and if are placed under scrutiny and one defines a compound statement such as 2+2=4 as one of the above four categories. Many utterances fall into the none of the above category such as "I am qweasdzxc".

It's all easily defined within the confines of math but many would say that math is a model of reality...and not reality.

Like I said, more dizzying than enlightening. Nothing here that anyone doesn't know...

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Postby bionic » Sat May 07, 2011 10:30 pm

reminds me of that popular statement
"I never tell a lie..I am lying to you, now..I never lie..this is a lie"
Pi is starting to come to mind
etc.................
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Postby at1with0 » Sat May 07, 2011 10:51 pm

Here's a fun little factoid while we're thinking of what truth is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_identity

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Postby at1with0 » Sat May 07, 2011 10:52 pm

Can we know yet not understand something?
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Postby bionic » Sat May 07, 2011 11:05 pm

I think more often we know but don't understand something..and maybe sometimes we may understand but not know something..
I know circular thought, again..
This is all leading somewhere..not sure yet
going with it
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