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Postby greeney2 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:01 pm

I would say they would be idiots, if they paraded their children around in nudest camps. I've never know anyone to even goto a nudest resort, I've know people back in the 60's who went to nude areas down in Topanga Cyn, during the hippy movements. They probably took little kids with them, but that was clearly a drug culture and Timothy Leary followers group.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:09 pm

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Postby greeney2 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:20 pm

Since you links say nothing about minors, its my opinion that the laws make it obviously an adult choice and activity. Not children, as it should be. I have no objection to any of it, as long as it does not include children of any age. Adult age only, just like many other things in our society, like drinking and gambling.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:56 pm

greeney2 wrote:Since you links say nothing about minors, its my opinion that the laws make it obviously an adult choice and activity. Not children, as it should be. I have no objection to any of it, as long as it does not include children of any age. Adult age only, just like many other things in our society, like drinking and gambling.


I was considering a global perspective. I really don't care what your opinion is.
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Postby greeney2 » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:09 pm

Than go find a 14 year old level chat line someplace, because this is a board to bring debate. I've let some of the things you have said on the board slide because you are new.

If you have some input, please give it, otherwise your insults are not appreciated.

Also please check you PM's, you have not opened a moderator message I sent you regarding problems on the religion forum.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:49 am

greeney2 wrote:Than go find a 14 year old level chat line someplace, because this is a board to bring debate. I've let some of the things you have said on the board slide because you are new.

If you have some input, please give it, otherwise your insults are not appreciated.

Also please check you PM's, you have not opened a moderator message I sent you regarding problems on the religion forum.


I've got a better idea: I'll keep on expressing my opinions in my own way, commenting on what I read as I wish, and making observations as I see fit. It's one thing for you to dislike what I write because it's a differing viewpoint, but quite another thing to try to regulate my input solely based on your own dislike.

Dislike me all you want. But don't expect me to put up with bullying.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:56 am

Oh and I should also add that when I said I really don't care what your opinion is, I was not intending to insult you.
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Postby greeney2 » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:05 am

Disson80r, goto home page to find the PM system, it is the icon with the little envelopes. You have PM's from me to read.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:44 pm

greeney2 wrote:Disson80r, goto home page to find the PM system, it is the icon with the little envelopes. You have PM's from me to read.


Hmmm? What? What about?

Sorry friend, I can't access my PMs at the moment. Not sure why. :?
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Postby OnyxKnight » Sat May 21, 2011 12:00 pm

Hi there :)

Followed through some webpages and links, ending up here... somehow. Yeah, the internet can do that you (Google's funny ways of linking people)

I don't usually sign up on forums just to respond to a few comments made by members, but since checking out this forum it seems there is a lot to keep me around, and since I'm already here, I thought I make the comments I wanted to make.

sheye wrote:the answer to that is yes dark,,,you would be surprised what some "gay" people to for "kinks" and "kicks"

bi-sexual psycopathic killers could be considered "gay" dark.


Oh my... where have we went here?

There is a fine firm difference between homosexuals, bisexuals and people who have psychological issues, even as severe to become psychopathic murderers. As a study in researching the brains of deceased heterosexual and homosexual men (where there was a significant difference), the same biological feature was missing in the brains of deceased mass murderers or psychopaths (having "normal", heterosexual brains).

Bisexuals fall in a range of spectrum, usually fitting in 3 basic groups (one who is more inclined towards same-sex relations, another inclined more towards opposite-sex relations and a third, more rare, where the sexuality and the sexual orientation is almost evenly distributed on the "attraction spectrum" of the individual). These three groups branch off in even more directions, as some individuals prefer one gender for sex, another for romantic relationships, and the degree can vary.

As you can see, bisexuals (a bit more complex than homosexuals, in my honest opinion), are way different to homosexuals, who are always attracted to the same sex, both sexually, and romantically.

Individuals who are have psychopathic or sociopathic attributes to their persona, have lost their sexual and romantic drive, and their brain derives pleasure and bonding in different ways. Lost because their brain went haywire. Anyway, the sexual drive and satisfaction, because of the socio/psycho-issues they have, translates most often in something that can stimulate the twisted side of themselves. Its why most individuals of this type cling to deriving pleasure from watching others suffer, be in pain and agony, or even get orgasm from watching somebody slowly die.

Enough of details regarding the screwed up minds of criminals, you can get the information if you want easily, through Google.

My point is, your lack of knowledge on the subject and your ignorance, led you to mix two different groups of normal, healthy people, with an alternative sexual and/or romantic orientation along with a third one, comprising of inhuman people who's brain stopped working. Just like some people link homosexuality with pedophilia. Little do they know, that there is no "straight" or "gay" pedophile, but that it is a matter of exposure to certain type of "resources" the environment brings, and how well one of these individuals can adapt to circumstances that are compatible with their upbringing etc.

In other words, they don't have a preference for boys or girls, but take what they can find mostly, or what they can get better. All-boys or all-girls catholic schools, churches where the system calls for a segregation of genders etc. Or a pedophile might be deemed a "boy-oriented" simply because his victims were boys, not taking into account that in most of the confessions these people make, its referenced that they have better ways of maiming boys through conversations, since topics are more easily discussed between them as being the same gender etc.

I've elaborated on this far too much, as an end point, before making such assumptions or conclusions next time, try and inform yourself on the matter first, and then post. Because with this, you only put more dirt on the already bad reputation homosexuals and bisexuals have globally, and you link people with criminal behavior and psychological and social issues with them, which is outrageous.

This is how homophobes and prejudicial people argument their views, by criminalizing alternative sexual orientations. What many don't know is that homophobia is considered a sociological issue.

Snug wrote:Seriously? The Jewish community was almost completely eliminated in concentrations camps in the last world war and you think Gay people have had it worse?

This is typical illogical thinking.


What's illogical my dear, is using historical facts / references, and only taking what suits your view best. Those same concentration camps where Jews were murdered were the same places where all homosexuals were murdered as well.

Are we gonna weigh on a scale now, which group had most of the death toll? Its childish.

But if we do have to weigh things out, for the sake of the argument, a religion, even a firm part of somebody's culture, is still a learned trait, an instilled dogma. And often a conscious choice of many people. In contrast to that, the sexual orientation is not a choice, and those gay people killed in the concentration camps had no choice.

chiselray wrote:i don't understand gays...i believe they may have holographic cconnections to a source of duel energies,which is conflicting itself .
That being said males who are gay have a physical male body yet retain a female personality,and vice versa..its makes sense trust me


Your own statement conflicts itself.

How can two female personalities (spirits?) trapped in male bodies (suits?) can fall in love with each other?

If the norm is "opposite energies attract"?

Snug wrote:So amongst everything we do nowadays Homosexuality seems to be there. This seems to be mainly amongst men/men relationships.


Wrong. Girl-girl relationships also exist in great numbers, but their existence varies because of the different areas of the globe. On average, globally, for every female-female couple, there are three male-male couples. So globally, men-men relationships seem to be 3 times as likely to occur than female-female ones. But that is in global terms. Some countries may have a higher degree of male-male couples, and vice versa.

I can mention the Middle East here. Or India.

Snug wrote:You go to the local mall and there are these guys in inappropriate attire and talking like females. Loud and around many people including children.


What's wrong with having a feminine voice? Or even attitude? What's making me very upset is that this type of prejudice is live and active even within the gay community itself. Pushing feminine gay men on the edges of this community. It only takes for one to drop a look at dating websites, gay forums of social networks to see what I mean.

Another misunderstanding is the creation of stereotypes, on what is public knowledge and easily noticeable traits of a particular groups. The 'Gay Stereotype' for example. A guy, with a feminine voice, feminine attitude and behavior, spending 20 of the 24 hours of the day outdoors, and most likely the shopping mall, wearing lip-gloss, a strange hairdo, always interested in fashion design or doing make-up (or is a dancer), and wears clothes that are flamboyant, with eye-poking colors, eccentric nature etc.

I haven't seen a guy with a third of these traits yet in my life. Yet the stereotype is supposed to represent something typical and average for the particular group it entertains. Basically, stereotypes are a caricature of what the actual people who belong to the particular group actually behave or look like. Not saying such individuals are the one with the set of characteristics I have listed above, do not exist. No, they may very well do. All I'm saying is that this is not the typical gay person one would run into in their life. Even the over-sexed, arrogant, gay-parade attending side of the gay stereotype is more of a iconizing one's worst attributes for a particular group, or the iconizing of the set of 'bad traits' a lot of individuals see in the particular group.

Did you know that only 10% of the feminine men globally, are homosexual? That the rest are straight? Yes, even I didn't believe that first time I heard about it.

And the feminine gay men only represent barely 1% of the whole gay community globally. A marginalized group within a marginalized group. Go figure.

I guess the creation of the feminine-guy-dressed-in-pink-cloths-and-waving-rainbow-flags stereotype comes out from the fact that one would not notice one is gay, if they don't show it themselves, or if they are openly expressing romantic interest or behavior with a member of the same sex. The only way one can guess a person is gay is by their natural behavior and the way they conduct themselves. So, since a feminine behavior in men is easily noticeable, probably that's what drives some to form a stereotype based on that.

Snug wrote:You Play your favorite video games there are gay men on the microphones spamming it up talking like a girl/sissy. You have "gay parades" Which is basically a 18+ Sex Show performed in public.
So why is sexual role play inappropriate in public for everything else other then homosexuality?


There are festivals organized and sponsored by large comps and corps, who entertain heterosexual love and sex. Need I use specific examples that I'm aware of? You should not be exempt from criticism.

Snug wrote:Seriously how many people who enjoy Sadomasochism or some other fetish do you see in public wearing costume and roleplaying? How many do you see around children? How many business owners do you know that would allow that in there store? Why in the hell has society turned a blind eye on homosexuality and aloud pornography to roam our streets?


There is more leather, rope and chains on the TV, than in real life.

Have you seen the latest cartoons and video games?

Homosexuality has nothing to do with it in my opinion. People be freaks. Get over it.

As long as public sex is not involved, I don't see the point in bitching about it. There are worst things that I personally think kids are seeing and leaves a mark on them. Like homeless people who barely are able to move because they are on the verge of dying from hunger, or alcoholics who have fell asleep in the park half-dressed or even full dressed (they didn't finish their "leak" and urinated themselves while asleep). Or prostitutes roaming the corners of the streets flashing boobs out to get an interest from a potential customer, and in the process, making young children watch that. Or lest say, an abusive father beating his wife and kids and taking that outside their house, onto the streets for other people to see? Or the junkie near your school's entrance, who passed out while injecting himself with drugs, the needle being very close and blood very noticeable on their arms?

The list is endless, I can go on and on.

How is kissing, hugging, holding hands in public between same-sex couples any worse than this?

Snug wrote:It is sickening and wrong in so many ways and it does not have to be. Being homosexual does not mean your forced to be a disrespectful twat. You can be gay and show respect. I know 2 friends who talk 100% normal and wear normal clothes when in public, but behind closed doors or amongst each other they are 100% gay and admit to being into all the stereotypical stuff. So why can they do it yet no other homosexuals can? Its disrespectful and most gay people deserve all the hate that is thrown at them because they show no respect in turn.

Thanks ;)

Who agrees with me?


Like I said before, the way one talks is none of your concern. You can have an opinion about it, but if you want to be taken seriously, you have to have a good argument to back it up. You can't say its disrespectful that one of the things gay men do is talk like women. So what?

Same goes for clothes. If there is enough clothes on them, to at least cover their genitalia, I don't see the problem. Their style is a personal choice, as we all have it. I believe you have a personal style as well.

Lashmar wrote:I don't personally care too much for the Queer parades but for a different reason to you. Why can they have a Queer march but I can't have a straight march? Why should they have `Gay rights` when they claim they want to be treated Equal? To me having a special set of rights for a group of people isn't right.


Gay rights = equal rights.

The word 'gay' replaces 'equal' for clarification on what groups these rights belong to.

It needs emphasizing since most groups think there are already equal rights among all people. For example, I'll use a frequent arguments those types of people use - "Yes you have equal rights. You have the right to marry a woman just as much as I do".

This is largely done for trolling purposes or to provoke an angry response from gay people. Its a fact that marriage with a woman is not the same thing for a gay guy as it is for a straight guy. One of these people is actually attracted to the woman sexually, and emotionally, and have an ongoing romantic relationship.

Gay men on the other hand, in most cases around the world, are not allowed to get married, or the relationship they have with their partner to be legally recognized as valid, so they can gain certain privileges and benefits from the state, like straight couples do.

This is only one of the basic requirements there is in the list of 'Gay' rights.

There is the freedom of expression, and of course, being able to form a family, and have kids.

Lashmar wrote:I dislike the marches mainly because I can't have my own, the same as many other things in this country, but if you're truly that bothered by them (I'm not and I don't think many are) then walk away and come back later...the world hasn't ended by turning you back on them and, I think, everyone would be happier that way.


Marches and protests exist for a reason. To remind people of human rights.

If you feel like your rights are not recognized as such and such individual, you are more than free to organize a march and fight for it. If I find your cause of interest, I might join you (even if I don't personally feel discriminated in the way you might feel.

Lashmar wrote:for the most part queers are nice people, and I never feel uncomfortable around them. I feel uncomfortable around the body-builder queers to be honesty, they creep me out at times.


LOL

I can ensure you, most types of gay bodybuilder type of men, are very nice. In some cases, even nicer than any other type of gay men. Warm-hearted and with a energetic spirit, you can quickly find a best friend in them. Nothing to be afraid of :).
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