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Postby rath » Tue Feb 15, 2011 2:28 am

Supporters of the U.S man charged with stealing 250,000 classified US documents published by WikiLeaks say the White House is trying to break the young soldier.

Private Bradley Manning has been held in a military prison for eight months.

His supporters have told the ABC's Four Corners program the US government is pressuring him to implicate WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in the theft of the documents.

The Four Corners investigation has also discovered a fierce debate within WikiLeaks over whether it was in Manning's best interest to publish the cables.

Manning was charged with transferring information from military computers without authorisation, and could spend the next 50 years in prison.

He was turned in by former computer hacker Adrian Lamo, who befriended the young private.

Mr Lamo has revealed the contents of their online chats to Four Corners, saying Manning openly confessed to being a WikiLeaks source.

"For me, the precise moment at which I felt that what Bradley Manning was doing was a danger to national security and to the lives of others was when he characterised one of his leaks as being in excess of a quarter of a million State Department documents," he said.

To date, there is no evidence Mr Assange directly helped or conspired with Manning to take the classified material.

Supporters of Manning say his prison conditions are designed to break the 23-year-old and force him to implicate Assange.

One of the few civilians Manning is allowed to see is Boston researcher David House.

Mr House, who is a member of the private's legal advocacy team, alleges the conditions Manning is being held in at the Quantico military brig outside Washington amount to torture.

"From getting to know him and from watching his state degrade over time, the only conclusion I can reach is that this is torture," Mr House told Four Corners.

Mr House also alleges US federal agents investigating Manning's suspected connections with hackers in Boston have attempted to bribe members of the city's hacker community.

And he himself has been stopped at airports and had his computers seized, but without any charges being laid against him.

"It's almost thuggish behaviour on the part of the US government and the way they're prosecuting this investigation, and for someone who's doing legal defence, it's very alarming to see my country devolve into this," said Mr House.

Internal debate

Four Corners has also discovered a fierce debate within WikiLeaks over whether it was in Manning's best interest to publish the cables.

Former WikiLeaks insider Daniel Domscheit-Berg told the program he was "devastated" at the news of Manning's arrest and questioned the decision to release the cables in the first place.

"If the cables had not been published, there would've been no proof that anyone had given the material to a different entity," Mr Domscheit-Berg said.

"So from my perspective, what should have happened with these cables, for the sake of Bradley Manning, would have been to just keep them back as long as possible until you find out what is happening with him before you publish them.

"Because that's just feeding allegations of spreading material to other entities, and that might mean new charges that have not come up at this point in time."

For his part, Mr Assange maintains WikiLeaks does not know the identity of its sources.

"Because we don't know who our sources are, we cannot be in a position where upcoming publications can be affected by taking hostages ... that would be a very dangerous precedent to set. We have a promise to our sources that we will publish," he told Four Corners during an interview in England in January.

When asked about the internal debate over Manning, Mr Assange said:

"We were concerned as to how that would possibly play into his case and we saw that his charges only included some 50 cables, and so we were not sure whether that related to the material that we'd released," he said.

"But we could see that extra accusations would probably be made against him given that that he was the only name being floated around by the US military."

Mr Assange says the Guardian newspaper in England set out the exact timetable for the eventual publication of the cables, but told Four Corners: "It was very, very important to have them published eventually. The particular timetable was not of our choosing."

WikiLeaks has so far donated $15,000 to Manning's legal defence, but Mr Assange would not comment on what the organisation was doing now to support Manning.

"If the allegations against Bradley Manning are true, he is the United States' foremost political prisoner," he said.

Mr Assange is himself in the middle of a legal battle with Swedish authorities trying to extradite the WikiLeaks founder from the UK so he can be interviewed over complaints of sexual misconduct.

Giving his own view on Mr Assange and Manning's respective legal positions, Mr Domscheit-Berg told Four Corners:

"All this hype about WikiLeaks and Julian and Julian's problems in Sweden, what are these problems in Sweden compared to the trouble that this private is in?

"This person who potentially is, I think, one of the biggest heroes for freedom of information in our time, how does that relate? There's no relation in between these two things anymore.

"Everyone should be talking about Manning and not about Julian's trouble in Sweden or in Great Britain or wherever."
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Postby greeney2 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:43 am

Duh! What else do you think they are going to do? When you lost 250,000 documents via a Private, the lowest rank in the military, you are going to expect them to pressure him. This kid was sold out and down the river, holding the bag for a serious crime against this country. What a piece of garbage Assange must be to knowingly, thrown this Private to the wolves, once the documents were in his hands, knowing the trail went right back to the Private. People can claim there is not crime committed by Wikeleaks and Assange, however the written law may have a different opinion. I certainly think there are so many crimes involved, it rates right up to the Engineer who sold secret plans to North Korea, from White Sands, NM. Becasue Assange is Austrailian, or because Wikeleaks is not USA based, does not obsolve them of any crimes. Pretty obvious the Private did not act alone, and pretty obvious the documents in question were stolen. Conspiracy and Colusion are crimes, negotiating the terms or acts of stealing the documents, exchanging them, recieving them, using them unauthorized, all separate crimes. Interfering with ongoing military operations is a crime. Spying and Espionage are all crimes. Some people will think they are protected under some theory of Journalism, but every Journalist I can think of has a permanant address where their News organization is based. A fine line between reporting the News and subversive acts against another country.
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Sat Feb 19, 2011 6:14 am

Maybe you guys haven't been keeping up---seems the defense Dept/ Justice/ all others have --thus far have been UNABLE to tie the Private to the Leak! Maybe you guys missed that! :?

Is he just another patsy? How did he get in this position again?>< :>)

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Postby greeney2 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:37 am

You must be the smartest man on earth, you tell us more than anyone here. :clap:
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Postby rath » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:12 pm

The USA lost the Docs ....

The Man who stole them was an American .....

It was an American who uploaded the docs to the internet & wikileaks web page .......

Just how do you see Assange is at fault ..... ?

Oh ...... i see Assange created the web site .... So it must be his fault right. :wall: :roll:
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Postby greeney2 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:42 pm

I've already explained it, and evidently its not only those laws Assange does not understand, but also the laws in Sweden concerning Rape.
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Postby rath » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:26 am

greeney2 wrote:I've already explained it, and evidently its not only those laws Assange does not understand, but also the laws in Sweden concerning Rape.


greeney2 wrote:I've already explained it, and evidently its not only those laws Assange does not understand, but also the laws in Sweden concerning Rape.



Or it's clear you have no clue at all.

Swedish prosecutor dismissed the rape allegations against Julian Assange, once already ...... stating that both woman's claims' where lies.

The case was closed.

Then the chief prosecutor who dismissed the case, was fired & replaced after the Swedish government became involved.

The new Swedish chief prosecutor, has lied, changed facts & leaked documents & names, to the world press, all before the facts of the case are even determined.

& as for the new chief prosecutor ..... well her own past has become an issue in it's own right.


This is a fix up job to get Assange for sure.
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:11 am

greeney2 wrote:You must be the smartest man on earth, you tell us more than anyone here. :clap:


And you act like you're 10 years old, really Greeney will you ever grow up and act like an adult?

Pathetic:

NBC: U.S. can't link accused Army private to Assange


U.S. military officials tell NBC News that investigators have been unable to make any direct connection between a jailed army private suspected with leaking secret documents and Julian Assange, founder of the whistleblowing website WikiLeaks.

The officials say that while investigators have determined that Manning had allegedly unlawfully downloaded tens of thousands of documents onto his own computer and passed them to an unauthorized person, there is apparently no evidence he passed the files directly to Assange, or had any direct contact with the controversial WikiLeaks figure.



This comes DIRECTLY from your Gods Greeney--deal with it!

Me--I'm done with your asinine attitude--

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41241414/ns ... _security/

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Postby greeney2 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:15 am

So you conclude he is innocent? You are the one around here that know better than anyone about everything, but in this case becasue it suits your own anti-american agenda, you defend him.
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:05 pm

greeney2 wrote:So you conclude he is innocent? You are the one around here that know better than anyone about everything, but in this case becasue it suits your own anti-american agenda, you defend him.



Listen Greeney I have no agenda, neither do I feel the least bit compelled to explain that to you. Obviously you've lost in translation anyway.

I'm anti-( what this once great country has become ) Period--destroying innocence and making cooperative co-existence with others all but impossible. Scary that this seems to be lost on you Greeney, maybe you simply don't care, that wouldn't surprise me at all.

I don't conclude anything Greeney--only that those charged with finding guilt are drawing blanks!

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