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Postby bionic » Thu Jan 27, 2011 11:02 am

the Wakefield study(actually it's is just one of several that have shown some link, but that's besides the point) showing vaccine/autism link showing is looking to not be fraudulent after all...
http://vaccinesafetyfirst.com/Home.html

wonder if these will make mainstream news (propaganda machine) and be yelled from the highest mountain as loudly as the cries of fraud were?
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Postby sandra » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:16 pm

http://www.mlive.com/health/index.ssf/2 ... retra.html
"Physicians blame Wakefield for starting a panic over vaccines, which has led to an increase in vaccine-preventable diseases."

Which has lead to an increase in preventable diseases. :roll:

The focus around autism and vaccinations in truth
have led more people to second think their
need for them.

"Study Verifies There Is No Value in Any Flu Vaccine

“A remarkable study published in the Cochrane Library found no evidence of benefit for influenza vaccinations and also noted that the vast majority of trials were inadequate.

“The authors stated that the only ones showing benefit were industry-funded. They also pointed out that the industry-funded studies were more likely to be published in the most prestigious journals ... and one more thing […] They found cases of severe harm caused by the vaccines, in spite of inadequate reporting of adverse effects.

“The study, ‘Vaccines for preventing influenza in healthy adults,’ is damning of the entire pharmaceutical industry and its minions, the drug testing industry, and the medical system that relies on them […]

“The results of this review seem to discourage the utilization of vaccination against influenza in healthy adults as a routine public health measure.”

Little off topic on the flu vaccinations, but point
being more and more information
is coming out counteracting and contradicting
preventative medicines. Where as before
much of it was all for conspiracy theorists.
I guess that can be seen as an improvement.
However...

I believe its also why pharmacogenetics
is on the rise with pharmaceuticals that
will appear to be much more effective as a preventative
measure taking into consideration each persons
genetic differentiations. Meaning lets get
ready for the next epidemics.

Id like to keep tract what else comes out with the
autism studies as I think there is alot more to come.
Refraining from vaccinations I do not believe
is the solution.

Just like flu vaccines can do damage, if you void
vaccinating doesn't mean you won't get the flu.
I strongly believe autism has deeper roots.
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Postby sandra » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:10 pm

Well let me add to my point when I say
that I do not believe avoiding vaccination
will eliminate autism.

Here is the problem with that idea.

Viruses spread, taking
into consideration the manufacturing of vaccinations(how they
are made and distributed), vaccines are living
organisms genetically modified and given
entrance into the human gene pool.
Also could be considered artificial intelligence,
or extraterrestrial life to take it a step further.

Keeping in mind some of the fundamentals
of quantum entanglement, quantum
information processing, and quantum physics-

One could receive a vaccination and another
entangled or created from it (a child)
could as well inherit or be exposed to it.

So when the ex director of the human genome
project declared to congress that autism is
an external and yet possible genetic
relation outside of vaccination, in a sense
it was not a complete lie. However genetics
can be as much internal as external matter, and "environmental"
causes still include "vaccinations". Which enter
the human gene pool.

20% of the human genome (it is scientific
understanding that near 99% of human dna
is the same) is patented by major corporations.

Lets also remember that vaccinations
have also been linked to cancers.

In March 2010-

"The case could have far-reaching implications. About 20 percent of human genes have been patented, and multibillion-dollar industries have been built atop the intellectual property rights that the patents grant.

A federal judge on Monday struck down patents on two genes linked to breast and ovarian cancer. The decision, if upheld, could throw into doubt the patents covering thousands of human genes and reshape the law of intellectual property

United States District Court Judge Robert W. Sweet issued the 152-page decision, which invalidated seven patents related to the genes BRCA1 and BRCA2, whose mutations have been associated with cancer."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/business/30gene.html

Genes become patented and become controlled.

However again, judges throwing out gene patents looks
like more of a favor to us than it actually is, blind sighting some
of us, when our
DNA has now for centuries been vulnerable and accessible
by the powers and authorities of this world.
If 99% of human dna is the same and we are aware of
the interconnectedness and entanglement of the human
gene pool, us average citizens have been mice for long time
whether we are getting vaccinations or not, whether we are
eating all organic or not, and no microbiologist or geneticist
or authority is exempt from being a part of this gene pool.

When it comes down to it, taking into consideration as much
knowledge as possible, or even as little as possible,
the wellness of our life does not depend on science.
Science only goes so far and then comes God.
I realize this is the health thread, but
all in all the activity and health of our own genes
does not depend on much besides love.
It does not depend on how much we know and
how much we are aware of anything other
than love. Know a little about love and the
causes and effects go further than anything.

So although I am not in favor of vaccinations
I would also do not prefer to believe they
are the sole problem or the solution, because if we
do not vaccinate, it will not solve the problem.

I see it as another, if we recycle we can save
the earth. Fine recycle but you are not going
to save the earth. Don't vaccinate and you
are not going to save the human gene pool.
One doesn't vaccinate and yet another does,
one doesn't recycle and yet another does.
Lets not fool ourselves.

Vaccinations are not the only cause
to the deteriorating health of newer generations,
and refusal to recycle is not the only cause
of pollution.

Infact people that eat all organic and recycle
everything and anything are at times
very much an irritant to me. Because often enough,
they want their actions to speak for their heart and
yet they still are not so friendly or loving.
Lots of these types of things in life allow
us to fool ourselves. We externally remove
being a part of a cause and many times
internally are still just as much a part of it.

The world is just simply not getting out of this
easily.

Look at the man made materials that have been created
and cause great pollution and damage to earth, knowing
the truth of it, we don't quit making them, corportations
have built their wealth upon them.

People find that vaccines are no good, doesn't mean
they will change their mind and quit finding a way
to introduce them.

People have problems changing their mind
even in the face of truth. We all know that.

I've had a doctor try to kill me ( a team
of 5 but one was in charge) rather than
to try and help save me at the vice
of his ego that he could never be wrong.
And before he could kill me I got the hell
out of there and into another urgent care where
I was safe.

To expect that some of these people have
no problem accepting the truth in all their
believed intelligence and credit is just simply
absurd and stupid at times.

Common people are over and over again
fooled by knowledge that deserves
no credibility. My point being,
things will get much
uglier before these people let go of
some of their creations. Their greed
and everything else ugly. Until then
they will continue to create intelligence
in the image of their internal conditions.

People are becoming more aware
of the condition of our world
leadership. Of most people in positions
of leadership in the world.
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Postby bionic » Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:01 am

I actually believe that autism is going to turn out to be some kind of immune and/or metabolic disorder..that maybe(probably) vaccines can excerbate.
My son is allergic to a-lot of minerals, I have noticed..he has issues with sulphur(his sulphur transferese situation is just..awful)..my family has serious allergy/immune issues (mercury has been tied to sulphur issues..but I feel it's more than that)

I believe genes play a huge role in it..autism runs in families thta have engineers.scientists, mathmeticians, and musicians in them.


I recnekty learned they can cure retts syndrome in mice..Retts is very much tied to autism. i feel once thye can cure Retts..they will be able to cure Autism (of course, higher functioning Autistics will tell you it needs no cure..guess they forgot about the lower fiunctioning ones sriously suffering in life..sensory overload torturing them to catatomia... when deciding this)
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Postby Nesaie » Mon Jan 31, 2011 3:04 am

Sandra, you write like a poet.

Bionic, I believe the name for the higher functioning autistic are called aspergers disease. I used to work with a guy, whom I believe had slight aspergers. He was an engineer and highly intelligent when it came to math. When it came to social skills, I could see how he would observe others and try to emulate what others did. It was like his social skills were...weren't natural, they were copied. He'd try so hard to fit in and tell jokes. He told jokes about Fibonacci numbers. You'd have to be a geek to get the jokes. :lol: Thank God, we were geeks and got the jokes. :lol: He was a really nice guy, we went out to lunch often. But...I suspect that that natural empathy that we have, naturally...he had to learn. He learned empathy, not because he felt it, but because he observed it and copied it. This is just my observation. If my observation is correct, I'd hate to live a life without feeling.
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Postby sandra » Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:09 pm

bionic wrote:I actually believe that autism is going to turn out to be some kind of immune and/or metabolic disorder..that maybe(probably) vaccines can excerbate.
My son is allergic to a-lot of minerals, I have noticed..he has issues with sulphur(his sulphur transferese situation is just..awful)..my family has serious allergy/immune issues (mercury has been tied to sulphur issues..but I feel it's more than that)

I believe genes play a huge role in it..autism runs in families thta have engineers.scientists, mathmeticians, and musicians in them.


I recnekty learned they can cure retts syndrome in mice..Retts is very much tied to autism. i feel once thye can cure Retts..they will be able to cure Autism (of course, higher functioning Autistics will tell you it needs no cure..guess they forgot about the lower fiunctioning ones sriously suffering in life..sensory overload torturing them to catatomia... when deciding this)


Was just reading an article in the Journal of Clinical Investigation
on asthma and particulate allergens.

"Allergic asthma is characterized by airway hyperresponsiveness, inflammation, and a cellular infiltrate dominated by eosinophils."

However:

"Numerous epidemiological studies have related the exacerbation of allergic asthma with an increase in ambient inhalable particulate matter from air pollutants."

"This is because inhalable particles efficiently deliver airborne allergens deep into the airways, where they can aggravate allergic asthma symptoms. However, the cellular mechanisms by which inhalable particulate allergens (pAgs) potentiate asthmatic symptoms remain unknown"

"Using a mouse model of allergic asthma, we found that, compared with their sAg counterparts, pAgs triggered markedly heightened airway hyperresponsiveness and pulmonary eosinophilia in allergen-sensitized mice."


http://www.jci.org/articles/view/43584
* Vaccines don't sensitize any kind of a genetic response do they? ;)


"Conflict of interest: The authors have declared that no conflict of interest exists."

"animal imaging was performed in the NIAID Regional Biocontainment Laboratory at Duke University (UC6-AI058607, U54-AI057157, and P30-AI051445) by the Duke Human Vaccine Institute Biocontainment Animal Imaging Shared Resource Facility."


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"The Regional Biocontainment Laboratory (RBL) at Duke was built with funding from the National Institutes of Health (NIH) to support basic research necessary to develop drugs, diagnostics, and vaccines for emerging infections and biodefense, and to provide surge capacity in the event of a public health emergency. The RBL at Duke was the first of 13 NIH-funded RBLs to open. The RBL at Duke is located on the Duke University Medical Center research campus within the Global Health Research Building (GHRB). As part of the Duke Human Vaccine Institute, the RBL is a state-of-the-art laboratory designed to provide a safe environment for work with hazardous bacteria and viruses."

http://humanvaccine.duke.edu/modules/rbl/index.php?id=1

No way there was any conflict of interest, so it is declared. :lol:

Whatchya think Nes? ;)
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Postby bionic » Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:25 pm

Nes..
okay..this is pet peeve so I have to correct you
Asperger Syndrome is a form of high fucntioining Austim, but not all high functioning Autistics are Aspies.

Aspies are verbal..from the start..hyper verbal even, at times.
High functioning Autistics have serious verbal issues in the beginning and can even continue to have them as they get older..
Also,a higher frucntionign Autistics can actually be more socially understanding and empathetic than an Aspie.

Dustin Hoffman's character in Rainman is your typical high functioning Autistic that is not an Aspie..my son is much like the Dustin Hoffman character.
An Aspie is more like the Aspie kid on the tv show Parenthood.

Aspie people can often live on their own come adulthood (maybe with some support)..high functioning non-Aspie Autistics usually can't or need A-LOT of support if they do.

this guy puts it well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p86sg1ik ... re=related
(and he looks a-lott like what I imagine my son will look like when he is older, coincidencely)
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Postby Nesaie » Tue Feb 15, 2011 10:52 pm

Bionic, sorry. No offence intended. Autism isn't my forte.

Sandra, I believe that many disease are caused by vaccines, including asthma. In that article they use the word "hyperresponsiveness". I haven't looked it up, but it sounds like the body is overreacting to something. Why/how would that happen?

I believe that vaccines make the immune system overreact. That is how we get "auto-immune syndromes" such as lupus, scoriosous (SP?), arthritis, etc. I also believe, due to the history of vaccines, that they cause cancers. When the body is forced to react, unnaturally, to send out it's immune response, I believe it can overreact. I'm not sure that overreaction ever goes away.

It's like being RH- and a female. If an RH- female gets pregnant with an RH+ male, her body MAY attach the child. That never goes away. Because that is the body's system for survival.

I hope that makes sense.
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Postby bionic » Tue Feb 15, 2011 11:38 pm

Bionic, sorry. No offence intended. Autism isn't my forte.


none taken
:)
it's all good
you gave me a chance, a platform to inform..which I appreciate
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