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Postby at1with0 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:48 pm

I used to display myself even more than I do now. Kept a livejournal account. I'm sure Humphreys and Nesaie remember seeing it. Just everything that came to mind went on it.

I got a quote you might like from the gospel of Thomas (gnostic).
37. His disciples said, "When will you appear to us, and when will we see you?"

Jesus said, "When you strip without being ashamed, and you take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children and trample then, then [you] will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid."


I read that well after I was doing it and it really stood out. Maybe you could add insight into what He meant.

You posted a song in reply back there. Maybe I'm rubbing off on ya.

Curious about the revelations.
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Postby sandra » Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:43 pm

at1with0 wrote:I used to display myself even more than I do now. Kept a livejournal account. I'm sure Humphreys and Nesaie remember seeing it. Just everything that came to mind went on it.


Well this has been different.

I got a quote you might like from the gospel of Thomas (gnostic).
37. His disciples said, "When will you appear to us, and when will we see you?"

Jesus said, "When you strip without being ashamed, and you take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children and trample then, then [you] will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid."


I read that well after I was doing it and it really stood out. Maybe you could add insight into what He meant.


You read that well after you were doing it?
Don't get upset then when I sometimes want to smack you upside your head for the things
you have to say of Jesus, you look like a fool when you talk that way, a reflection of yourself is what it is.
Things are still coming together for you, we just played strip poker and
I lost far before getting to the river card.
Meaning, no nothing about winning(lol),
more to see of the life of Christ and what it means to
have life in Christ. As all the pain and misery your
spirit has ever felt has been Christs unfailing love for you.
There has been no fight in the reality of Christs Love
which is being made perfect in you, it is all part of
his perfect Love and plan for you. Sounds
fairy airy right, well has it all been fairy airy? THEN
LISTEN. Would you
see everything you've ever known or experienced
or perceived as Love? All of those things will start coming
to light now that it is soon time. Think I know what I am
talking about? :lol: And guess what, there is alot in store
for you. Guess you left your socks on. :lol:

When we strip down and trample our clothes and see Christ
as he is, we are made new in Love, in everything we have
ever known never losing sight as we see and live on,
its when we find the kingdom within and all the things
that Christ has given to us, to share with us, to be one
with us, it is a time the tables are finally turned.
Nothing is any longer, able to stand in the way.
Its all been removed. No more left. How close do you actually
think you are to Christ, you've done soo much
more than you know and here comes the time to
soon know it. These are not opinions I am sharing,
it will take you still time from now just to realize
how much I have told you the truth, oh yes, and when
that time comes I will already know.

You posted a song in reply back there.

There is a part of you that is going gone.


Maybe I'm rubbing off on ya.

Curious about the revelations.


Are you sure? I think something went over your head. :oops:


One thing down the road I want you to remember.
Youre more first in line and things have been dark
in this world, everything that you have dealt with
has not only been for yourself, like it or not :roll: ,
People that come after will not have to go through
everything you have, you instead will have, yes,
alot of responsibility but most of all, alot of
Gods Love through grace etc that will transform
things at a faster rate for others than maybe I am even
able to see at this moment....but at that time one
thing is for sure, you will know Christ in a different
light. zooooooooooooom. How do you feel?
Take one and call me in the morning. :mrgreen:
“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
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Postby at1with0 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:18 pm

One thing down the road I want you to remember.
Youre more first in line and things have been dark
in this world, everything that you have dealt with
has not only been for yourself, like it or not :roll: ,
People that come after will not have to go through
everything you have, you instead will have, yes,
alot of responsibility but most of all, alot of
Gods Love through grace etc that will transform
things at a faster rate for others than maybe I am even
able to see at this moment....but at that time one
thing is for sure, you will know Christ in a different
light. zooooooooooooom. How do you feel?
Take one and call me in the morning. :mrgreen:

I've heard that before, so it is in a sense confirmation, though I have a healthy skepticism.
What would you say my responsibilities are (or will be)? How manifested, specifically?
I've been told that I will transform things for people but I am still at a loss as to how that will manifest specifically.
How do I feel? Calm, centered.
Trust me, I'll take several and call you in the morning.

Maybe I'm rubbing off on ya.

Curious about the revelations.


Are you sure? I think something went over your head. :oops:


Yes, curious about the revelations.



You posted a song in reply back there.

There is a part of you that is going gone.


What part, exactly?

When we strip down and trample our clothes and see Christ
as he is, we are made new in Love, in everything we have
ever known never losing sight as we see and live on,
its when we find the kingdom within and all the things
that Christ has given to us, to share with us, to be one
with us, it is a time the tables are finally turned.
Nothing is any longer, able to stand in the way.
Its all been removed. No more left. How close do you actually
think you are to Christ, you've done soo much
more than you know and here comes the time to
soon know it. These are not opinions I am sharing,
it will take you still time from now just to realize
how much I have told you the truth, oh yes, and when
that time comes I will already know.

I believe I saw Christ once, maybe three times. Appearing in various forms. I was absolutely terrified the first time. Less so the second time and it was welcomed the third time (about four years ago). I continually feel its presence, though very often it's in the background of my mind not unlike the pressure between my butt and the chair.
The kingdom within. I like that. Reminds me of Luke 17:21.



Things are still coming together for you, we just played strip poker and
I lost far before getting to the river card.
Meaning, no nothing about winning(lol),
more to see of the life of Christ and what it means to
have life in Christ. As all the pain and misery your
spirit has ever felt has been Christs unfailing love for you.
There has been no fight in the reality of Christs Love
which is being made perfect in you, it is all part of
his perfect Love and plan for you. Sounds
fairy airy right, well has it all been fairy airy? THEN
LISTEN.

No, that's not what's been airy fairy. I am curious though about what you think the plan is.

Would you
see everything you've ever known or experienced
or perceived as Love?

Not in a million years. Think about it.

All of those things will start coming
to light now that it is soon time. Think I know what I am
talking about? :lol: And guess what, there is alot in store
for you. Guess you left your socks on. :lol:

I keep hearing that from people yet it has yet to come to fruition.
I hope it's all good and I won't have to venture into hell much more than I already have, of course.


You read that well after you were doing it?
Don't get upset then when I sometimes want to smack you upside your head for the things
you have to say of Jesus, you look like a fool when you talk that way, a reflection of yourself is what it is.

Well your opinion has been noted but mine is that it is foolish to rely so heavily on another person for anything.
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Postby sandra » Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:50 pm

My opinion has been noted. :lol:
Good enough then.
“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
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Postby at1with0 » Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:57 pm

That's it? :roll:
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Postby sandra » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:42 am

Your opinion is that you should not rely on anothers opinion..
You many times cannot even rely on your own, and I am not
giving you opinions of mine to be replaced as your own.
I have been telling you some truths, not truths of my own
that I like to do whatever the hell I want to with.
There is no such thing as well that is the truth for you
but my truth is this, and their truth is this, and this
other persons truth is this also. Those are the
things that will be taken from the world as that
is the way it has been for some time, a delusion
that reality is what we want to make it.
There is One Christ.

Now please tell me what do I owe you?
For you to say 'thats it' after all is said and
done you should be ashamed and from
time down the road you will understand. That is why
it is good enough. It is ok to look into things of the future
but it is even better to see them as they are now.

After the last mourning, which is starting,
all these things will be more, more than
what can be shared through words alone.
I know....I know.....but there is a reason it sneaks up
as something you could never imagine, that is part of the gift in all of it.
Not a year down the road, its coming very soon.
“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
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Postby sandra » Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:47 am

Look back at this conversation some time from now.
“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
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Postby at1with0 » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:10 am

sandra wrote:Your opinion is that you should not rely on anothers opinion..

Where did you get that odd notion from?

Now please tell me what do I owe you?
Silly question. You have the choice to remain silent at all times.


For you to say 'thats it' after all is said and
done you should be ashamed and from
time down the road you will understand.

It was in response to your not addressing several points.
In fact, I have been rereading the thread and many important questions were not answered. It's half the information. Better than zero. You are silly. You are telling me that I should be lovingly spread and take responsibility for my knowledge yet you ask what you owe me?
Would you be ashamed to only give half of the information you had?


Not a year down the road, its coming very soon.
Meaning less than a year? I wonder if my potentially having a child in the next year might have something to do with something.
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Postby bionic » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:37 am

"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.
For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

I know the spirit of Christ, yes. I would be lying immensely if I said differently.




I love that..and I feel that is the truth of you..the geniuneness of you...I like you a-lot..and..if you knew me..you'd know..that's a huge compliment
Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
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Postby bionic » Thu Dec 16, 2010 1:50 am

confluence of energies


I LOVE that and want to use that as a quote and remember it.

I bet they affected you in ways I couldn't easily fathom and it's nice to finally get some sort of validation rather than being alone in the dark with this type of thing


You're nto alone..there's a-lot of us out there/here. You're just more opeen and hoenst about ti all.

In spite of his temperment sometimes, I liked PNG because he knew. He seemd to really know.
Yah know?
Don't know who he is these days...but still..you get what I'm saying.

I like you a-lot, at1

I like this, too
Jesus said, "When you strip without being ashamed, and you take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children and trample then, then [you] will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid."

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Willie Wonka quotes..
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