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Conspiracy FACT: The Pro-Israel Lobby in the USofA

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Postby Aquarian » Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:50 am

http://freedocumentaries.org/int.php?filmID=173

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Is one allowed to question that reality, or is the pro-Israel lobby so strong, financially and politically, that the relationship with Israel is taboo and therefore unmentionable? And what happens to those who dare expose the unmentionable? In March 2006 the American political scientists John Mearsheimer (University of Chicago) and Steve Walt (Harvard) published the controversial article 'The Israel Lobby and US foreign policy'. In it they state that it is not, or no longer, expedient for the US to support and protect present-day Israel. Together with the power shifts in Congress and the increasing doubts about the current Middle-East policy, this could become the fuse in the powder keg. Backlight talks to the people concerned in this 'new realism' debate. The documentary sheds light on both parties involved in the discussion: those who wish to maintain the strong tie between the US and Israel (Neocon Richard Perle, the Lebanese Christian Brigitte Gabriel and evangelist John Hagee, the lobby club AIPAC), and those who were critical of it and not infrequently became 'victims' of the lobby. Member of Congress Earl Hilliard from Alabama advocated a rapprochement with the Arab world and was promptly ousted by a political adversary who had the support of Aipac money.

The historian Tony Judt, who tried to maintain that Israel was becoming a belligerent and intolerant ethno-state, driven by religion, found a lecture canceled at the last minute. And the Human Rights Watch Director Kenneth Roth was personally attacked after he had criticized the violence Israel had used in the mini-war against Lebanon last summer. Finally the question arises in how far the pro-Israel lobby ultimately determines the military and political importance of Israel itself. Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson (Colin Powell's ex chief-of-staff) explains in how far the lobby's influence affects the decision-making structure in the White House. Member of Congress and Democratic presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich is asked in how far today's politicians can stay out of reach of the long arm of the pro-Israel lobby. The lobby, Congress, the White House and Israel itself seem to have ended up in a suffocating embrace: will it ever change and how could it?

This is a well made film. Due to the influence of the lobby, this film could not be filmed by the United States but rather by a news station in the Netherlands. The topic of Israeli influence in the United States is one which faces incredible censorship whenever there is an attempt to discuss it. At the heart of this matter is AIPAC a powerful organization who influences US policy. The Israeli Lobby influence is so strong in both parties that relationship between the US and Israel will probably not change regardless of whether republicans or democrats are elected. If you want to understand U.S. policy in the middle east, you first should understand AIPAC.
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Postby Nesaie » Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:46 pm

I hate israel, they're a state run terrorist organization that has been attempting to wipe out the true descendants of Abraham.
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Postby gudskepteacal » Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:55 am

Not to be confused with the pro-Chinese, pro-Mexican, etc...lobby Aquarian? :P

Aquarian wrote:And what happens to those who dare expose the unmentionable?


You saw how fast poor Helen Thomas disappeared. :o

Aquarian wrote:and those who were critical of it and not infrequently became 'victims' of the lobby.


No murder/mystery, no Joseph Moshe style spectacle? - BORING! :lol:

Aquarian wrote:Finally the question arises in how far the pro-Israel lobby ultimately determines the military and political importance of Israel itself.


WARNING: SKEPTEACISM ALERT!!...

http://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis180.htm

I no longer think any of this perception fed to us peasants (yes; even most of Fox News) about the situation here or the 'continuing conflict' there has much to do with the grand design of the power elite. Whether they are direct bloodline descendants or not, the enlightened ones have had the game rigged for centuries; they make the rules, they are the rules. :|
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Postby Aquarian » Sun Aug 22, 2010 8:37 am

We must end our blind support of an aparthied regime like Israel if we ever want to get serious with attaining peace in the Middle-East.
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Postby greeney2 » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:27 am

We must end our blind support of an aparthied regime like Israel if we ever want to get serious with attaining peace in the Middle-East.


Why would you support a rechime that straps a bomb on, and blows up people in a bus, or shopping, or eating a dinner someplace, who have nothing to do with anything? You seem to support a lot of people that shoot at the USA, or our allies, and never once have you supported you own country!
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Postby Aquarian » Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:56 am

greeney2 wrote:
We must end our blind support of an aparthied regime like Israel if we ever want to get serious with attaining peace in the Middle-East.


Why would you support a rechime that straps a bomb on, and blows up people in a bus, or shopping, or eating a dinner someplace, who have nothing to do with anything? You seem to support a lot of people that shoot at the USA, or our allies, and never once have you supported you own country!


I will not support an imperialist war machine.
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Postby Nesaie » Mon Aug 23, 2010 4:16 pm

greeney2 wrote:
We must end our blind support of an aparthied regime like Israel if we ever want to get serious with attaining peace in the Middle-East.


Why would you support a rechime that straps a bomb on, and blows up people in a bus, or shopping, or eating a dinner someplace, who have nothing to do with anything? You seem to support a lot of people that shoot at the USA, or our allies, and never once have you supported you own country!


Like israel? You do realize that the likud party and israel itself murdered many Brits who were in movie theaters etc? Israel is built on terrorism. They started it! Before israel, the Christians, Jews and Muslims lived peacefully together. Now...ugh :( Rahm emanuel's father was a terrorist. He isn't even American, he is an israeli.
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Postby gudskepteacal » Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:17 pm

Aquarian wrote:We must end our blind support of an aparthied regime like Israel if we ever want to get serious with attaining peace in the Middle-East.


Nice reply Aquarian and it ties in with the point I was so ineptly trying to make: At the one end, there's the 'pro-Israeli lobby' and all that entails; at the other is the viewpoint you were posting about. I'm saying the 'power elite', 'powers that be', whatever-ARE in fact both ends of the spectrum. Division and controversy they can use; when people think for themselves and can come together on key facets of the debate, THIS Aquarian, this is what they do NOT want. I have not a problem with you or anybody else having this point of view whatsoever; as long as people can state knowledgably and factually WHY they hold a certain viewpoint and not just repeating some mantra from somebody else that they may have seen or heard, I consider THAT to be powerful indeed. More powerful, in fact, than the invisible influence that binds us all. Again I speak to the open conspiracy; open to those who would see.
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Fri Aug 27, 2010 5:58 am

:lol: See there I knew that you understood where this Tea Party thing actually came from.

SAME PRINCIPLES same old worn out song yet they keep going to this well and will until the PEOPLE refuse them access.

I guarantee you that if 10 common everyday people saw a Deputy Sheriff shopping in a Grocery Store who seemed lost while searching for a certain item THAT: 2 would ignore him/her completely, 4 would immediately feel uneasy almost intimidated, 2 would leave the area until this Deputy was finished or gone, and 2 would likely acknowledge him/her yet keep on shopping. EXACTLY ZERO would ask if they could help in any way--WHY--Preconceived conditioning simply will not allow the common person to see this Deputy as anything other than a face of authority--This ladies and Gentlemen is EXACTLY what the PTB understand and exploit when it comes to things such as those within this thread.

They exploit you out of fear simply because you ALLOW them to. Yes a piss poor analogy but I guarantee you that it's deadly accurate.

Why do you not engage this so called authority :lol: :lol: Because you've been conditioned to " DO AS I SAY " " NOT AS I DO "

Sadly the Sheriff's Deputy is common just like you. If you don't believe me then try NOT being like the 10 above--you might just learn something about yourself and better yet something about reality itself and NOT what the PTB need you to believe.

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