The Black Vault Message Forums

Discover the Truth!        

Government and Political Conspiracies

What is Gang Stalking?

Throughout time, there have been countless government and political conspiracies that have kept us wondering. This forum is dedicated to that very topic. Got a conspiracy theory of your own? Post it, and try to back it up as best you can!

Postby gangstalking » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:09 pm

This is my response to the New York Times article that came out last year.

Two interesting articles came out, the first was from the New York Times it's about Gang Stalking.

I wrote a response to the article.

After giving the New York Times article a little bit more time to settle there are three points that I wanted to review further.

The first was how the article came to use the term extreme communities. I did read over the Vaughan Bell article where a reference is made to such communities. ... eprint.pdf

According to what Dr Bell wrote in the article it was views considered extreme or unacceptable by the mainstream. Using this definition I wondered if things such as the 9/11 truth movement would be an extreme community? Their views are not considered mainstream. I also wondered who else might fall into this list based on Dr Bell's definition?

Websites that cover conspiracy topics might well meet his definition of extreme communities. Many of the subject matters covered on websites such as would fall into this category. They would be a website of mini patches of extreme communities.

Another factor that I thought should be calculated in when defining a community as an extreme community is the obvious, is the community helpful vs harmful? What kind of purpose do they serve? If I go to a website that has what by some is considered an extreme view that encourages me to kill myself, then that should be considered different than going to a website that expounds none traditional views, but steers the website viewer away from inflicting harm to themselves?

There are lot's of websites that conform to traditional or more traditional mainstream views that in my opinion are probably fairly harmful to some aspects of society, but we turn a blind eye, because it does pass mainstream muster.

The definition as is, in my opinion is fairly broad, and the references to the term were limited except for references to Dr Bell's work and the New York Times article.

The other point that I am wondering about is who or what now defines what is mainstream or normal? In today's society we have so many different variables to consider. At one time spending all your time online might have been considered the actions of lonely desperate people. Now with websites such as Facebook, and much of web 2.0 culture, being online is considered normal, and spending many hours online as long as it's spent socialising is considered a fairly normal and healthy activity.

According to a report from Mediamark Research in a 30 day period 2.5 million adults participated in online dating. I am sure they find this to be completely normal and mainstream, but I am sure there are patches of society that do not agree with this. ... 20Days.pdf

World of WarCraft reached 11 Million monthly Subscribers. Many of them sane individuals who go online to take part in these roleplaying games. For that community, I am sure they consider themselves normal and mainstream, just by their sheer numbers. I am sure there are still many in society who would not however consider going online to roleplay normal, mainstream or even healthy.

Thus what would be considered as abnormal or extreme view offline is often a normal and accepted view online, in many different circles. Eg. 9/11 conspiracy offline, might still be considered anti-government or none traditional, but online they are a fairly regular part of web culture and discussions. When defining mainstream and referencing the Internet, we might have to start finding different ways to do so.

Eg. I just read an article today, that talks about a real life couple getting divorced because he is cheating online with a virtual girlfriend. Traditional definitions are having to be adapted and redefined to accommodate an online culture. ... et_offbeat

A second woman in Japan was arrested because she killed her online husband. She killed his virtual self. That's right, she did not kill him, or have any intention of killing the real him, but when his online virtual self divorced her, she got even and killed him. She was arrested for hacking into the computer and other things, and now if she is formally charged, she could face up to 5 years in jail. ... tar_murder

It is becoming more and more clear that it is the offline world that is having to adapt to the new online realities and not often the other way around. Therefore what we considered traditional and mainstream yesterday for an offline reality, in many ways is being redefined, and it does not seem as if some offline structures are keeping up to date with this reality.

The third point of concern with the New York Times article is that people were being considered paranoid with simple offline assessments. Are these offline assessments adequate for some of the challenges that people are facing in the modern day world to define Targeted Individuals as paranoid?

Recent research has unearth a great deal of information to show that when people are being termed as paranoid, it might not be the case.

Research is showing that there are in fact networks of individuals being hired by the state in various countries to track and spy on average citizens. The spying includes email and phone taps. Being followed around in public by hired Covert Human Intelligence Sources. Having these same Informants move into the houses around the target when possible. Following them around in vehicle and foot patrols, plus many other forms of intrusive surveillance. ... 8x1052.jpg ... ilies.html ... ilies.html ... people.php ... 080729.pdf

Individuals and Families under these types of surveillance are often not aware, and if they do become aware and go to seek help, they are often written off by the establishment as paranoid, psychotic, or crazy. The modern day reality is that without proper investigations, Freedom Of Information Act requests, and other proper forms of inquiry a true assessment might be impossible to determine. The secondary problem is that many of these investigations are ending up in secret databases, which the public has no access to. F.O.I.A. requests are no longer a sure fire way to determine if an individual is under surveillance. ... spies.html ... _state.htm

I think it's fair and safe to say that before a community is considered extreme many factors should be considered, and the definition itself should factor into consideration what's considered normal online as well as offline. Assessing if a community or individual is paranoid or psychotic in today's modern surveillance society should be done with care and caution. It's been shown time and time again that anti-terror laws are being abused, National Security Letters are being handed out left right and center, with over 30,000 being issued per year, and many groups and individuals are being spied upon and placed on watch lists, unfairly. ... 01366.html

In a society as the one described above, it is not only normal to have concerns about surveillance, but when there is a suspicion of such, the job of therapists in the future might not be first subscribing the patient to medication, it might be first asking if they have placed a F.O.I.A. request.

Society might even have to make it a mandatory law for psychiatrist to be notified if a person is under surveillance so that they are not falsely labelled, committed or medicated. This does not happen, the culture and society have changed within the last decade, but the methods used for determining paranoia, psychosis, and mental illness, in regards to the belief that one is under surveillance are still fairly antiquated in many cases, and might not pass muster for the realities of a modern day surveillance society.

Then another article came out about a mind control lawsuit in BC for 2 Billion. ... 04a0e26ae7

The judge is allowing the lawsuit to go forward. Otherwise it's a slow news day and progress continues and get's hindered.

Gang Stalking is more of a household name, but in some circles it's still seen as a paranoid thing, or conspiracy. There are some in roads being made, but just like any other case, be it sexual harassment, bully, mobbing, there is still a road to be travelled.
Gang Stalking World
United we stand, divided we fall.
Posts: 55
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:36 am

Postby 3dvd » Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:45 pm

Golly, I wish I could be be so (self) important to warrant such attention. Nobody wants to spend thousands of man hours sifting through my sock drawer.
Posts: 70
Joined: Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:06 pm

Postby Nesaie » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:06 pm

Well, there are many stories of cops going through garbage. I'd rather search a sock drawer than somebody's actual trash. Yet, cops and federal agents do do that. If I'm not mistaken, I don't think they even need a warrant to do that.
Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky
User avatar
Posts: 1326
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:54 am

Postby 3dvd » Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:21 am

True. Those cops were paid for their efforts. What the OP is claiming, a vast army of coordinated surveillance teams tracking thousands of nobodies, is not true, plain and simple. The logistics is ludicrous, the evidence is very weak anecdotes, and there is just no reason at all.
On the other hand, if you want to feel self important or are a paranoid schizophrenic, it all makes sense.
Posts: 70
Joined: Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:06 pm

Postby Nesaie » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:37 pm

I dunno, I'll listen. Truth is stranger than fiction. ;)
Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky
User avatar
Posts: 1326
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:54 am

Postby gangstalking » Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:04 am

3dvd wrote:Golly, I wish I could be be so (self) important to warrant such attention. Nobody wants to spend thousands of man hours sifting through my sock drawer.

This post is also from the old forum. Can I just remind you that they did this quite easily in East Germany. I have also posted articles that show that they did this to families in the U.K. Fusion Centers in the U.S. are tracking Ron Paul supporters for goodness sakes. In Canada at the Universities over the years they opened files on 800,000 Canadians. All nobodies to be sure, but all with files opened. So history proves my point. Anyways here it the post from the old forum.

Mark on his site has also done some wonderful research about our Citizen Informants. He has a lot of reference material on his site to back up his claims.

Welcome. This website is devoted to explaining a global program of torture, murder & persecution which I call the Hidden Evil. It includes a vast network of plain-clothed citizen informants, which is used for public stalking, & the use of Directed Energy Weapons on targeted individuals. All core factions of the community are involved, & everyone, from seniors to children, participates in Gang Stalking. Governments have used these groups in some form since the Roman Empire. The Hidden Evil is an example of this pattern repeating itself.

The citizens' network patrols the streets of your neighborhoods. The evidence suggests that this network is not just part of a sub-culture within society, but that it literally permeates all aspects of it, & is therefore, part of the mainstream. As I'll demonstrate, this has happened before. The network is the creation of supra-governmental Think Tanks, which are made up of people of tremendous wealth. These Think Tanks manipulate your government like a puppet. So, in essence, these wealthy individuals control your streets.

The public front portion of the program currently appears to emanate from a Department of Homeland Security initiative, known as, Citizen Corps. It is partnered with a National Neighborhood Watch program called, USAonWatch, which conducts citizen patrols. It is directed by FEMA, the FBI, & the National Sheriffs' Association. The public front is supported by individuals & groups of informants, that have no official ties to any state organization, & is also run by the FBI & other federal agencies. These federal agencies work directly with local governments to coordinate the activities of this colossal network. Other countries apparently have similar ones.

The citizen patrols (Gang Stalking) are done under the guise of keeping an eye on internal threats to state security & cleaning up neighborhoods. As I'll demonstrate, this is exactly what the informant networks in East Germany & Russia were told when they were recruited into these state-sponsored programs. These are essentially global Psychological Warfare operations, done with the support of the civilian population. On the neighborhood level, despite claims of patriotism, the main reasons for their participation are empowerment & adventure.

Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) & other behavior modification tools are used as weapons during public harassment. These attacks are combined with military-grade, silent, through-the-wall Directed Energy Weapons (DEW), & advanced electronic surveillance equipment. Many people are attacked night & day with these weapons.

I have found that this social pathogen is a symptom of a heavily corrupted society under psychopathic rule. The program, in its basic form, is part of a re-occurring historical theme, which includes psychopaths gaining control of governments, & using a percentage of the population to destroy their enemies. This is done to pave the way for an overt dictatorship, & is always done under the banner of righteousness. In its current form, it is part of a political movement known as the New World Order. On this site, I'll describe what Think Tanks are behind it. From top to bottom, the Hidden Evil is about power & control.

The mainstream news, congress, parliament, & other politicians will openly deny that this exists. Or they will minimize its significance. Organizations under the control of the financial elite will also deny it, & may be used to discredit anyone who exposes it. The media will also be used in this manner. In the future, when the authorized historians write the official history books, this part of it will be left out or whitewashed.

So this site will also serve as a record. It will be a testimony for anyone who wants to learn the truth about how the streets of the NATO nations were taken over by multi-national corporations, that used federally sponsored harassment groups to Gang Stalk their opposition, in order to pave the way for a corporate-fascist dictatorship.

In doing my research I must say I agree that this is heading towards a one world government. Getting rid of those undersirables that might have the guts to stand in your way seems to be a part of who this process works.

It is also the reason we say the increase in mobbing, and the suicides and breakdowns, removal from the workplace, left unable to function, or mass killings, in mobbing that we are seeing in gang stalking. The link in is there for those who wish to understand the bigger picture.

So what else do you wish to understand? We know a society can keep their mouth shut if the government is oppressive enough, or puts enough fear into them.

We saw this in Russia, and East Germany, also some were not scared and they were highly cooperative. None the less, people here in these countries are no different. This plauge, this disease, this maladay is once again rearing it's ugly little head, and people do not seem to be waking up in time, and it spreads.

If you are wondering everything that we are seeing fit's into the bigger picture including this cute little financial meltdown. All part of the greater whole.
Gang Stalking World
United we stand, divided we fall.
Posts: 55
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:36 am

Postby 3dvd » Sun Apr 26, 2009 10:22 am

Are you implying that Canadian Universities ran surveillance on 800,000 Canadian Citizens?
Posts: 70
Joined: Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:06 pm

Postby gangstalking » Tue Apr 28, 2009 3:57 pm

3dvd wrote:Are you implying that Canadian Universities ran surveillance on 800,000 Canadian Citizens?

Oh no, I am not implying it. This guy who did the research into this is stating it.

By Jim Bronskill Southam Newspapers

OTTAWA - RCMP spies kept secret files on hundreds of Canadian

Politicians and bureaucrats at all three levels of government as part of a project known as the "VIP program," a newly published book reveals.

The now-defunct RCMP Security Service had amassed 668 files under the

program by the late 1970s when jittery Mounties severely curtailed the

effort, according to declassified archival documents.

The disclosure is among several revelations in Spying 101: The RCMP's

Secret Activities at Canadian Universities, 1917-1997, by academic

Steve Hewitt, a teaching fellow with the Department of American and Canadian

Studies at the University of Birmingham in England.

The book, a thorough examination of RCMP surveillance of the academic

world, also discusses the Mounties' efforts to keep tabs on other


of society, including government, the media and women's groups.

The RCMP created security files on 800,000 Canadians, and it has long


known the force took an active interest in politicians and public


with links to Communist organizations or other pursuits deemed


Last year, for instance, RCMP files spanning several decades on former


leader David Lewis were made public.

However, the considerable extent and scope of the effort to monitor


officials is detailed in records Hewitt obtained from the National


of Canada under the Access to Information Act.

The VIP program targets in 1978 were 335 members of Parliament,


and public servants, 120 provincial representatives and employees, 25

municipal officials and 107 individuals who had left government.

Hewitt believes the RCMP kept dossiers on politicians out of a desire


leave "no stone unturned."

"One of the points I try to make in the book is that they had this


definition of what a subversive was. And better safe than sorry, so it

was a

case of opening files on all kinds of people."

In the late 1970s, the VIP program was wound down "except for files on


handful of individuals who continued to be targeted," says the book,

published this month by University of Toronto Press.

The archival records do not include the list of targets, as names


cannot be made public until 20 years after an individual's death under

federal privacy laws.

As the book notes, the RCMP's interest in certain politicians was well

known to the government as early as the 1960s, a fact Conservative


Minister Donald Fleming acknowledged in his autobiography.

"I have seen the records they keep on individuals, including members of

Parliament," Fleming wrote. "If they failed to keep one on me I should



In 1984, on the heels of a commission of inquiry into RCMP Security


activities, a new civilian agency, the Canadian Security Intelligence

Service, assumed the lead role in countering subversion, espionage and


Both spy agencies have quietly monitored the halls of higher learning,


practice that has generated tensions between state authorities and


given the potential chilling effect of undercover surveillance on the


flow of ideas.

Hewitt points out that RCMP interest in campus dissent continues, a


example being the Mounties' investigation of protesters against the

Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation summit at the University of British

Columbia in 1997.

"They did it at APEC, and they could be doing it now," Hewitt said.

He argues that following the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United

States, there is little tolerance in North America for the sort of

dissenting opinions that have traditionally emerged from university


Indeed, democratic countries including Canada have passed laws giving


powers to police and intelligence agencies since the terrorist

assaults, he


The book traces RCMP surveillance of the academic milieu to the early


of the century, activities that intensified with the rise of socialism


the 1920s. A pre-occupation with left-wing challenges to the political


social order would colour the force's counter-subversion efforts for


to come.

The Mounties cultivated informants among students and faculty at

universities across the country and sometimes relied on the direct

observations of RCMP members who were taking classes to further their


In 1970, as campus radicalism reached a peak, the Security Service

microfilmed a copy of the 958-page student directory of the Universite


Montreal, which contained personal information on 16,000 individuals.

In his examination of thousands of pages of archival records, Hewitt


across references to several well-known figures.

A September 1970 report mentions a speech by Ed Broadbent, then a young


and future NDP leader, at an anti-war conference held at the University


Toronto. A notation indicates the possible existence of a separate


file on Broadbent.

Considerable effort was expended to discover those who secretly


"Red" tendencies, but the evidence unearthed to establish such


was frequently tenuous, Hewitt writes.

Journalists Pierre Berton and Peter Gzowski had files opened on them,


reports added to existing ones, following public appearances that


suspicion. Berton chaired a meeting to protest apartheid in South


while Gzowski criticized the quality of Canadian universities during a

session at the University of Toronto.

Security Service members were also on hand when American social critic


Chomsky addressed academics in Montreal in May 1967 and outspoken


Jane Fonda gave a speech at the University of Windsor in February 1971.

Images and other information from the book can be found at
Gang Stalking World
United we stand, divided we fall.
Posts: 55
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:36 am

Postby gangstalking » Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:04 pm ... pying-101/

You can read more about it using this link above, and the book Bridging the Gap has a chapter called are Canadians Paranoid Enough? ... 1441448845

There was from Snitch Culture, quoted in the book.

According to Redden, citizens can sometimes defeat the snitch culture. He lauds Canadians for discovering a secret government database that contained information on "virtually everyone in the country."

The system tracked domestic and external travel, personal finances, and other intimate details on 33 million people.

When journalists revealed that the database was being used by spy agencies and the Mounties, 18,000 Canadians petitioned the health ministry to find out what the government knew about them. Eventually, the government was forced to dismantle the database ? or so they said. Government officials admitted the database was insecure, and so countless copies could easily have been made by police or nosy bureaucrats.

So there is lot's of spying ongoing in society. People just have to be aware of it.
Gang Stalking World
United we stand, divided we fall.
Posts: 55
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:36 am

Postby Nesaie » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:43 am

Thanks for the links GangStalking, I'll check it out more when I'm not on dial-up and it's not so late. ;)
Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky
User avatar
Posts: 1326
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:54 am


Return to Government and Political Conspiracies

  • View new posts
  • View unanswered posts
  • Who is online
  • In total there are 0 users online :: 0 registered, 0 hidden and 0 guests (based on users active over the past 10 minutes)
  • Most users ever online was 292 on Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:19 pm
  • Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests