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Postby greeney2 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:21 am

Fishermen’s fear: Public's 'right to fish' shifting under Obama?
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By Patrik Jonsson Patrik Jonsson – Tue Mar 9, 6:17 pm ET
Atlanta – The Obama administration has proposed using United Nations-guided principles to expand a type of zoning to coastal and even some inland waters. That’s raising concerns among fishermen that their favorite fishing holes may soon be off-limits for bait-casting. In the battle of incremental change that epitomizes the American conservation movement, many weekend anglers fear that the Obama administration’s promise to “fundamentally change” water management in the US will erode what they call the public’s “right to fish,” in turn creating economic losses for the $82 billion recreational fishing industry and a further deterioration of the American outdoorsman’s legacy. Proponents say the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force established by President Obama last June will ultimately benefit the fishing public by managing ecosystems in their entirety rather than by individual uses such as fishing, shipping, or oil exploration. “It’s not an environmentalist manifesto,” says Larry Crowder, a marine biologist at Duke University in North Carolina. “It’s multiple-use planning for the environment, and making sure various uses … are sustainable.” (Amateur outdoorsmen have been fighting for their rights for years, as the Monitor reports here.)

New way to manage marine resourcesFaced with the prospect of further industrialization along America's coasts and the Great Lakes (wind turbines and natural-gas exploration, for example), the task force is charged with putting in place a new ecosystem management process called marine spatial planning. Marine spatial planning (MSP), according to the United Nations, is “a public process of analyzing and allocating the spatial and temporal distribution of human activities in marine areas to achieve ecological, economic, and social objectives that usually have been specified through a political process." That kind of government-speak scares Phil Morlock, director of environmental affairs at the reel-and-rod maker Shimano. Mr. Morlock points to references by the ocean task force to “one global sea” as evidence that what’s really being proposed are broad changes to America's user-funded conservation strategy, potentially affecting even inland waters. “I suggest that the task force recommend our model to the United Nations rather than us adopting the United Nations model,” he says in a phone interview. “The American model is the best in the world, so our question is: Why seek the lowest common denominator?”

Protections for recreational fishermenMr. Obama has said he will not override protections put in place by Presidents Clinton and Bush that established recreational fishermen as a special class.

But critics still worry about the Obama administration’s ties to environmental groups that espouse “anti-use” policies that put some habitats out of reach even for rod and reel fishermen, who take only 3 percent of America’s landed catch every year. “Angling advocates point out that senior policy officials on the task force seem inclined to ally themselves with preservationists and environmental extremists who want to create ‘no fishing’ preserves, with no scientific justification,” writes ESPN.com’s Robert Montgomery. On the other hand, nonpartisan experts say the task force has already made strides in better recognizing various stakeholder groups, including recreational fishermen, and that it doesn’t intend to undermine the ability of states to manage their natural resources, as many fishermen fear. “There’s been huge progress by the task force in terms of being more inclusive in thinking about economic, ecological, social, and political concerns,” says Mr. Crowder at Duke. “The paranoia – and there is paranoia on all sides – is that the process will be captured. My hope is that mutual concern gets people to the table.” The final report of the task force is expected in late March. Congress will decide its fate, unless Obama issues an executive order establishing MSP as the law of the water.


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Postby CodeBlack » Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:09 pm

Hunting will be next. Then the right to own guns, right to assemble, free speech. You'd think the world had never seen this pattern before. History is filled with examples of over-bearing governments and their, sometimes not so gradual, slide into oppression. You'll wake up one day and it'll all be over. At what point does US = USSR?

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Postby CodeBlack » Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:51 pm

Maybe this should be another thread but the GOV wants to mandate black box devices for cars. These things will record everything you do and can even notify police when you break the law, speeding, red lights, inspection, etc. Whose the nutjob who came up with this? The GOV couldn't care less how much it will add to the price of a car. They already have that idiotic gas guzzler tax. What business is it of the GOV what kind of gas mileage I get??? Or whether or not I'm wearing a seat belt, or have insurance, or etc.?

The gas guzzler tax is equivalent to a tax for getting a double cheeseburger instead of a single. "A double cheeseburger requires more energy." Why can't we have a stupid tax? The dumber you are the more you pay. Congress would all be in the poor house. Oh, they would exempt themselves of course, just like health care.
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Postby nightwolf » Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:53 pm

From what I understand isn't he just trying to restric coastal fishing? Some of you guys here get really paranoid when it comes to Obama and Democrats. Hasn't it been thirty some years where they've been trying to get rid of your precious guns?
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Postby CodeBlack » Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:55 pm

So what you're saying is, they've spent 30 years trying to outlaw my precious guns thereby violating the US Constitution. Its not paranoia.
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Postby nightwolf » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:01 pm

CodeBlack wrote:So what you're saying is, they've spent 30 years trying to outlaw my precious guns thereby violating the US Constitution. Its not paranoia.


That was sarcasm, it's the argument that righties have been saying for the last 30 years and nothing has changed yet has it? Therefore, it is paranoia on your part since you're trying to convince the world that Dems/Liberals are trying to take away guns!
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Postby Wing-Zero » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:15 pm

nightwolf wrote:From what I understand isn't he just trying to restric coastal fishing? Some of you guys here get really paranoid when it comes to Obama and Democrats. Hasn't it been thirty some years where they've been trying to get rid of your precious guns?


Lots has changed, if you're a gun owner.

States restrict any kind of rifle with a detachable 30-round magazine. You can't have a pistol grip, folding stock, foregrip, etc. Certain kinds of ammo are restricted. You can't buy ammunition over the internet in some places anymore.

The "Assault Rifle Ban" screwed up a lot. It caused anything that looked like or associated with certain types of rifles to be banned. Even though the ban expired, states still keep it going strong.
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Postby CodeBlack » Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:31 pm

Make no mistake, libs want to get rid of guns. Its been high on their list since the 1960's. One moment of weakness by voters and there will be a nationwide ban on all guns. You watch. So we'll have to go back to the old fashioned way of killing people: knives, baseball bats, bows & arrows, mothers-in-law. Nothing like a good old fashioned strangulation.
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Postby sandra » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:28 pm

CodeBlack wrote:Maybe this should be another thread but the GOV wants to mandate black box devices for cars. These things will record everything you do and can even notify police when you break the law, speeding, red lights, inspection, etc. Whose the nutjob who came up with this? The GOV couldn't care less how much it will add to the price of a car. They already have that idiotic gas guzzler tax. What business is it of the GOV what kind of gas mileage I get??? Or whether or not I'm wearing a seat belt, or have insurance, or etc.?

The gas guzzler tax is equivalent to a tax for getting a double cheeseburger instead of a single. "A double cheeseburger requires more energy." Why can't we have a stupid tax? The dumber you are the more you pay. Congress would all be in the poor house. Oh, they would exempt themselves of course, just like health care.


Hadn't heard this prior. Would have made another great thread CodeBlack- And although I definitely think black boxes for cars could happen, I cannot see what bennefits there would be to manufacturers or governments in the long haul? Worse, is the notion of having global identity cards (raths thread), which would be much harder to technically manipulate...I mean cmon some people have 5 different vehicles. You know how much it boost the economy by adding blackboxes to vehicles? Well I tell ya what, I'll go to school to become a mechanic, because I can guarantee, there will be alot of restorations, along with the real 'cash for clunkers' :lol: No one will buy a blackbox hybrid.
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Postby CodeBlack » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:46 pm

Well, we really don't need government sticking their nose inside our cars. All it will do is add to the price and maintenance cost of cars plus raise the cost of inspection since they will have to verify they are working. Total nonsense and completely unnecessary. And how is the gov going to know when I have a good reason for breaking the traffic laws? The gov can't even maintain the traffic lights or the roads. Shouldn't they be spending money on that?
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