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Postby greeney2 » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:37 pm

the USA is projecting.

their projecting thair racist past & values onto Australia, & Australian's.


Australia doesn't have the racist past / present of the usa.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Australia

Give me a break Rath, and be sure to look at the "also see" at the bottom. Read all about yourself and your history past and present. My brother in law some of it first hand for a year down there.
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Postby rath » Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:51 pm

greeney2 wrote:
the USA is projecting.

their projecting thair racist past & values onto Australia, & Australian's.


Australia doesn't have the racist past / present of the usa.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Australia

Give me a break Rath, and be sure to look at the "also see" at the bottom. Read all about yourself and your history past and present. My brother in law some of it first hand for a year down there.



Please you know what i think about wikipedia :roll:


But since you bring it up. :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_ ... ted_States.


I hope your not goiing to get me into trouble with the boss (John) greeney. :)
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Postby greeney2 » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:08 am

I believe I stated in my first reply the USA has a shameful history. I also stated something from facts I know about, from my Brother in Law being very close friends still today, with one of your cops. For you to say the USA bar none is the worst racist country of all, and than to say Austrailia has never had racism, past of present, is simply not true. The link show some of the real history of events that happened.

I don;t care what you think about that enclycopedia, the information is directly from history, none of it is untrue, and the studies noted at the bottom are accurate and in depth. You repsonded in a matter of minutes, with a counter of racism in the USA, which tells me you never read a word of anything. There is still racism in the USA, but its also very much a problem in Austrialia too. The USA is nothing like it was 50 years ago, but we still have much to do.

Please you know what i think about wikipedia


Funny you don't think they are a credible sourse about you, but they are if its against my country? :lol:
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Postby rath » Mon Oct 12, 2009 3:56 am

greeney2 wrote:I believe I stated in my first reply the USA has a shameful history. I also stated something from facts I know about, from my Brother in Law being very close friends still today, with one of your cops. For you to say the USA bar none is the worst racist country of all, and than to say Austrailia has never had racism, past of present, is simply not true. The link show some of the real history of events that happened.

I don;t care what you think about that enclycopedia, the information is directly from history, none of it is untrue, and the studies noted at the bottom are accurate and in depth. You repsonded in a matter of minutes, with a counter of racism in the USA, which tells me you never read a word of anythi ng. There is still racism in the USA, but its also very much a problem in Austrialia too. The USA is nothing like it was 50 years ago, but we still have much to do.

Please you know what i think about wikipedia


Funny you don't think they are a credible sourse about you, but they are if its against my country? :lol:




greeney2 wrote:and than to say Austrailia has never had racism


I never said Australia has never had racism. :roll:

I said the USA is the most racist country of all, bar none.


Australia has racism ......... much of it is imported from other parts of the world with migration to Australia.

But Australia is nowhere near as racist as the USA.

It's not even close.

USA has ... had black slavery.

around 13 million Africans were abducted and sold as slaves in USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in ... ted_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_picker

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USA has .... had black segregation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_seg ... ted_States

USA has ..... had black assassination Malcolm x

black panthers.


USA has ..... had committed genocide against its own native peoples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population ... ide_debate

& the USA created the KKK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

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& even today the USA uses Mexican immigrants as effectively just cheap slave labor.

The U.S police engage in race killings & race bashing's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodney_King


I don;t care what you think about that enclycopedia, the information is directly from history, none of it is untrue,


:roll:

if you say so.

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Postby chiselray » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:14 am

greeney2 wrote:
the USA is projecting.

their projecting thair racist past & values onto Australia, & Australian's.


Australia doesn't have the racist past / present of the usa.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Australia

Give me a break Rath, and be sure to look at the "also see" at the bottom. Read all about yourself and your history past and present. My brother in law some of it first hand for a year down there.


no where near close to americas mistreatment of blacks..They had a long long history of enslaving blacks...All that repression from down your way greeny is not our backdoor rubbish ..
The issue HCJ has is his innability to context a situation correctly,i found his attitude of the skit as some kind of be and know all of what is right and wrong in all cultures...Our culture is fine in these situations when they are done in jest ..but Mr High and mighty comes in on his horse ,down on our values like some kind of martyre from the late 1800s :roll:
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Postby greeney2 » Mon Oct 12, 2009 10:01 am

I said and I repeat, the USA has had a shameful past, but what are we all doing today? Rath posted a thing on John's warning page about Indians and Asians being safest in Austrailia. However if you read the link I posted, that also is untrue, as noted in the past year. Also noted in that report about indian/ asian sturdents, is exactly what I said my Brother in Law told me, directly from his cop friends mouth. They do not care about crimes against minorities, and the link to the indian/asian student raciam states poor police response times if they at all.

You talk about mexican labor in the USA, they are far from slave labor you envision in the state of California. They all make a lot more than minimum wage. Not even close.

I'm just saying there isn;t a country that doesn;t have racism. The jackson jive act has definate racial sterotyping. Harry Connick may have offended you, but think about the content of the skit. This country things like that and things like "all in fun" ethnic jokes, are being exposed as racially charged and unacceptable. Its part of changing times. Yes, the USA has a long way to go, so does the rest of the world.
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Postby chiselray » Tue Oct 13, 2009 3:51 am

The jackson jive act has definate racial sterotyping. Harry Connick may have offended you, but think about the content of the skit. This country things like that and things like "all in fun" ethnic jokes, are being exposed as racially charged and unacceptable. Its part of changing times. Yes, the USA has a long way to go, so does the rest of the world.


HCJ has not offended me in the slightest,i am not offended personally,how could i be ?

My comments were off how his perspective seemed a little overdone and doesnt really fly in our country..but we apoligised anyway ..
So as long as we dont use ethnicity based jokes as the juicer' for ever and ever, things should be back to normal again..
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Postby rath » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:12 am

chiselray wrote:
greeney2 wrote:
the USA is projecting.

their projecting thair racist past & values onto Australia, & Australian's.


Australia doesn't have the racist past / present of the usa.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Australia

Give me a break Rath, and be sure to look at the "also see" at the bottom. Read all about yourself and your history past and present. My brother in law some of it first hand for a year down there.


no where near close to americas mistreatment of blacks..They had a long long history of enslaving blacks...All that repression from down your way greeny is not our backdoor rubbish ..
The issue HCJ has is his innability to context a situation correctly,i found his attitude of the skit as some kind of be and know all of what is right and wrong in all cultures...Our culture is fine in these situations when they are done in jest ..but Mr High and mighty comes in on his horse ,down on our values like some kind of martyre from the late 1800s :roll:



chiselray wrote:
greeney2 wrote:
the USA is projecting.

their projecting thair racist past & values onto Australia, & Australian's.


Australia doesn't have the racist past / present of the usa.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Australia

Give me a break Rath, and be sure to look at the "also see" at the bottom. Read all about yourself and your history past and present. My brother in law some of it first hand for a year down there.


no where near close to americas mistreatment of blacks..They had a long long history of enslaving blacks...All that repression from down your way greeny is not our backdoor rubbish ..
The issue HCJ has is his innability to context a situation correctly,i found his attitude of the skit as some kind of be and know all of what is right and wrong in all cultures...Our culture is fine in these situations when they are done in jest ..but Mr High and mighty comes in on his horse ,down on our values like some kind of martyre from the late 1800s :roll:



The fact that Harry Connick jr & the people & press of the USA where so offended ........
speaks more about them than it does Australia & Australian's.


Lets face it .... why else would the people & press in the USA assume the guys in the Australian Jackson skit where white, .... white guys who painted their faces black :?: :?: :?:

Because youes where projecting your own views onto Australia & Australians.

You all assumed these guys where white, because of your own (American) history. :oops:

I wonder why.

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The 9 Most Racist Disney Characters


#9. The Merchant from Aladdin

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The opening musical sequence from the hugely popular 1992 animated film had to be edited due to protest from Arab-American groups for saying about the Middle East what most of us were merely thinking.

Lesson Learned:
The Middle East is a barren wasteland where the justice system runs on a clear and simple limb-removal policy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPUAhSGZ ... r_embedded

Best (Worst?) Moment:
"Where they cut off your ear if they don't like your face" is the offending line, which was changed on the DVD to the much less provocative "Where it's flat and immense and the heat is intense." Whatever. Our question: In a city full of Arabic men and women, where the hell does a midwestern-accented, white piece of cornbread like Aladdin come from? Here he is next to the more, um, ethnic looking villain, Jafar.

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#8. Sebastian from The Little Mermaid

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In this 1989 film, a Jamaican-sounding crab teaches Ariel that life is better "Under the Sea," because underwater you don't have to get a job.

Lesson Learned:

Up on the shore they work all day
Out in the sun they slave away
While we devotin'
Full time to floatin'
Under the sea!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyMyxV4uzSA&feature=player_embedded

Still too subtle? How about at 2:01 when the "blackfish" appears?

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Best (Worst?) Moment:
As far as Disney movies go, you've got two choices: unforgivably offensive and just slightly racially insensitive. Sebastian definitely falls into the latter category. So while making Sebastian a charming, party-loving stereotype is a baby step forward for Disney, it's still a stumble backwards for civil rights.



#7. The Crows from Dumbo

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In this 1941 classic, Dumbo the flying elephant runs into a band of jive-talking black crows who sing, "I'd be done see'n about everything/when I see an elephant fly!"

Lesson Learned:
Come on, blackbirds acting in a manner stereotypically assigned to African-Americans isn't that offensive. At least they didn't just get some white guy to do his best "black voice." Oh, really? They did? And, they called the lead character "Jim Crow?" Um, hey, look over there! It's a convincing, logical end to this argument!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1bNyOO69g&feature=player_embedded

Best (Worst?) Moment:
So many too choose from. The crows are very specifically depicted as poor and uneducated. They're constantly smoking; they wear pimptastic hats; and they're experts on all things "fly," so it's really a team effort contributing to the general minstrel-show feel to the whole number. You could pretty much pause this video at any second and use it as evidence in your hate-crime lawsuit against Disney.

For its time, though, the portrayal of the crows was almost progressive. The crows band together and help Dumbo learn to fly, so they're counted among the heroes of the film. Remember, this was just a couple of years after somebody introduced a bill to outlaw lynching and congress voted it down. So, you know, you take what you can get.


#6. King Louie from The Jungle Book

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Having outgrown the crude portrayal of African-Americans as black crows, in 1967 Disney decides to portray them as monkeys instead.

Lesson Learned:
All animals in the jungle speak in proper British accents. Except, of course, for the jive-talking, gibberish-spouting monkeys. Did we mention they desperately want to become "real people?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX_7DmnAp_E&feature=player_embedded

Best (Worst?) Moment:
Fine, so an ape singing, "I wanna be like you" might be a little subtle, in a "we own multiple copies of Catcher in the Rye" conspiracy theory kind of way. Still, considering the author of the The Jungle Book also thought up "the white man's burden", we don't think it's too much of a stretch.



#5. The Siamese Twin Gang from Chip n' Dale Rescue Rangers

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Overt racism against African-Americans was obviously intolerable by the time this Chip n' Dale series began in 1989. Overt racism against Asians, luckily, was still on the table.

Lesson Learned:
Even as criminals, Asian-Americans immigrants, represented here by a gang of cats, have become integral parts of American culture. Kidding! They own a laundromat, run an illegal, basement gambling operation and speak in horribly mangled "Engrish." It's like a designer of World War II propaganda posters accidentally quantum leaped into the body of a late '80s cartoon writer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSL7MPBchZI&feature=player_embedded

Best (Worst?) Moment:
The Siamese Cats sell their karate expert Juice Lee, a Japanese fighting fish, for a suitcase full of dead fish. If you can't find something offensive in that sentence, congratulations. You're a cyborg.



#4. Sunflower the Centaur from Fantasia

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Of all the items on this list, this is the one Disney has tried the hardest to make us forget.

Lesson Learned:
Even in Fantasia's beautiful, magical landscape, African centaurs are hoof-polishing handmaidens for prettier, Aryan centaurs. Also, 1940 was a great year to be a centaur fetishist and/or Don Imus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AKwCMmvI_U&feature=player_embedded

Best (Worst?) Moment:
It was insulting enough for Disney to include the smiling servant stereotype to begin with, but, to make matters worse, they started categorically denying Sunflower's existence with the Fantasia re-release in 1960. How does that possibly make things better? "No, you misunderstand. In our perfect, Fantasia world, Africans aren't servants. They don't fucking exist."



#3. The Indians from Peter Pan

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_at9dOElQk&feature=player_embedded

Lesson Learned:
Why do Native Americans ask you "how?" According to the song, it's because the Native American always thirsts for knowledge. OK, that's not so bad, we guess. What gives the Native Americans their distinctive coloring? The song says a long time ago, a Native American blushed red when he kissed a girl, and, as science dictates, it's been part of their race's genetic make up since. You see, there had to be some kind of event to change their skin from the normal, human color of "white."

Best (Worst?) Moment:
It's a tie between Tiger Lilly's traditional Native American hussy dance, and the number of times Native American's misogynistic tendencies are played for laughs (hint: It's more than three!)



#2. Uncle Remus from Song of the South

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The tales of Br'er Rabbit are relayed by kindly old Uncle Remus, a black man happily working on a plantation in the post-Civil War South. Disney has never released this one on home video, for some reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47ak4vjiNzw&feature=player_embedded

Lesson Learned:
The late 1800s were a great time to be African-American and possibly on acid.

Best (Worst?) Moment:
Less eerie than any imaginary singing birds is what's not in the film. It's as if someone made a children's musical about Jews in post-World War II Germany that had a number titled "Hey! Nothing Bad Has Happened to Us, Ever." Also failing to reach the screen: When the movie had its world premiere in 1946 in Atlanta, James Baskett, the actor who played Remus, was not allowed to attend. Zip-a-dee-doo-dah!



#1. Thursday from Mickey Mouse and the Boy Thursday (Book)

http://www.archive.org/stream/MickeyMouseAndBoyThursday/MicrosoftWord-Document1#page/n1/mode/2up

1) Thursday from Mickey Mouse and the Boy Thursday (1948 children's book)

In this obscure children's book from 1948, Mickey Mouse accidentally receives a West African native in the mail. Hijinks ensue, which includes Thursday (a riff on Friday from Robinson Crusoe) killing Mickey's radio and worshipping Goofy as a tribal god.

"The book compiles almost every offensive preconception of Africa lurking in the American subconscious," says Joseph.

Keep in mind that the "fish out of water" scenario has been a comedy staple since . . . forever. Also keep in mind that this book has been out of print, most likely since before most people surfing the Internet were actually born. Remember that Disney's depictions of minorities weren't exactly out of step with mainstream society back then. By Joseph's own (pained) admission, Disney "was almost progressive" in his treatment of blacks and other non-Europeans. Look at the larger attitudes of the day, and this book starts to look like Albert Schweitzer.

But no, Joseph has to pull this obscure skeleton out of Disney's closet so he can show us how smart and progressive he is.
Racism in Disney Cartoons? An Animator Has the Last Word

The final note on this subject goes to Floyd Norman, who was the only black animator working at the Mouse House during the 1950's and 60's.

"Overly sensitive people see racial or ethnic slights in every image," Norman once wrote. "And in their zeal to sanitize and pasteurize everything, they've taken all the fun out of cartoon making.

"I've had the pleasure of speaking with the late Bob Clampett about his 1943 cartoon, Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarfs (Clampett's notorious all-black take on Disney's Snow White). I've chatted with Ward Kimball about animating the crows in Walt Disney's Dumbo . . . Although some might call these comical images racially insensitive, I merely see them as funny."




Then we have the likes of Waylon Smithers (Fox) who went from a Black Man.

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To a Gay White man.

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Postby greeney2 » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:41 am

Harry Conick is from New Orleans and his perspective is from the stereotyping of the deep south, Uncle Remus/Aunt Jamima kind of thing. Harry has been Mayor of New Orleans, and has been a person on the front lines of rebuilding that area, and someone in tune with that, and the history of that region.

Rath, most all the things you found are great examples of the stereotyping done to minorities of many kinds, that we have learned from. Even classics from Disney, probably sent the wrong messages, although not planned to in any sinister way, it was just an acceptable way of thinking. The Jackson Jive, is no different, as the acceptance of this kind of humor is a reflection of a way of thinking. It doesn;t mean you are out hanging black people, but it is a level of offensive to others. Just the same as the depicting of characters in cartoons paves the way to trains of thought and thinking. The question is where is that threshold begin and end? Total censorship or some level of boundries? Jackson Jive to many is past the boundry, and to others it isn;t a factor at all. 20 years ago, "did you hear the one about the 3 Polocks" was great fun in the office, now it can get you fired in companies like I worked for. Changing attitudes, political correctness, can be way overboard or not far enough.

Like I said 3 times now, the USA has had a shameful past, but most places do too.
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Postby rath » Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:25 am

greeney2 wrote:Harry Conick is from New Orleans and his perspective is from the stereotyping of the deep south, Uncle Remus/Aunt Jamima kind of thing. Harry has been Mayor of New Orleans, and has been a person on the front lines of rebuilding that area, and someone in tune with that, and the history of that region.

Rath, most all the things you found are great examples of the stereotyping done to minorities of many kinds, that we have learned from. Even classics from Disney, probably sent the wrong messages, although not planned to in any sinister way, it was just an acceptable way of thinking. The Jackson Jive, is no different, as the acceptance of this kind of humor is a reflection of a way of thinking. It doesn;t mean you are out hanging black people, but it is a level of offensive to others. Just the same as the depicting of characters in cartoons paves the way to trains of thought and thinking. The question is where is that threshold begin and end? Total censorship or some level of boundries? Jackson Jive to many is past the boundry, and to others it isn;t a factor at all. 20 years ago, "did you hear the one about the 3 Polocks" was great fun in the office, now it can get you fired in companies like I worked for. Changing attitudes, political correctness, can be way overboard or not far enough.

Like I said 3 times now, the USA has had a shameful past, but most places do too.



i agree .....

But you look @ the press in the usa & around the world on this Jackson Jive skit.

& every report makes out this is just wrong .... ONLY BECAUSE ..... they think its being performed by white guys from Australia.

That's projecting.

Fact is the people who did the skit where ethnic Indians & various Black ethnicity's from different parts of the world.

Not 1 white guy involved.


& the Indian guy who was Michel Jackson, he painted his face white.


Yes what their act is outdated ...... i know that ....... Australia knows that.

& if white guys where involved in an act like this .......... No Australian would defend it.

No way.


& further more the USA with it history wants to judge Australia via Harry Connick jr
with his past act on mad t.v :roll:


greeney2 wrote:Harry Conick is from New Orleans and his perspective is from the stereotyping of the deep south, Uncle Remus/Aunt Jamima kind of thing. Harry has been Mayor of New Orleans, and has been a person on the front lines of rebuilding that area, and someone in tune with that, and the history of that region.



Now having said that we all get where Harry / USA was/is coming from.

but no one bothered to find out if these guys doing the skit where white or not.
( projecting )


Can you imagine the fallout if the white t.v presenter had stooped/banned these Black guys from going on t.v to perform as Micheal Jackson, ............... the most famous Black singer / performer EVER.
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