The Black Vault

Did not say it was "just" a receiver...or did i? If I did, that is not what I meant.

Let's look at it this way....with the right balance of technology, i could probably attach a number of electrodes to a dead cat (i think they've actually done this already) and cause it to behave in precisely the same fashion as a living cat...with enough time and study, i could probably fool anyone that this was even a dead cat (of course one would have to keep the flies away)....but even if i could hit a button, send an impulse, and cause the cat to do the same exact activity, does this mean it is the same as what happens when the cat is living?

no.

depends on the cats name?

sparky?

fortwynt wrote:sparky?

more german

hint:
http://www.citizenlunchbox.com/famous/cats.html

I give up.

Schrödinger's Cat

Hello,
Sorry about the last post humphreys, some of it was directed to Tairra, and I think you read that part and thought I got it from your post. I was in a hurry when I wrote it. My bad
The following is not directed to you or anyone in particular, its just my ideas on the subject of emotions being real or not, and whether or not they "count" in this reality.

Reality, in everyday usage, means "the state of things as they actually exist." In a sense it is what is real. The term reality, in its widest sense, includes everything that is, whether or not it is observable or comprehensible. Reality in this sense includes being and sometimes is considered to include nothingness, where existence is often restricted to being (compare with nature). Emotions are part of reality, therefore they are real. Something doesn't have to be "out there" in order to be real or in order to count! { like in the examples given by humphreys}
Notice something real may not be measurable or even comprehensible. However emotions can be measured, they are as real as the effects they have on the body.

Probably the most common test that shows the effects of motions is the "Lie detector test" When a person takes a polygraph test, four to six sensors are attached to him. A polygraph is a machine in which the multiple ("poly") signals from the sensors are recorded on a single strip of moving paper ("graph"). The sensors usually record:
The person's breathing rate
The person's pulse
The person's blood pressure
The person's perspiration

"Emotions are neuropeptides attaching to receptors and stimulating an electrical change on neurons. The mind exists not only in the brain. Neuropeptides are also produced by the spleen, thymus, bone marrow, lymph glands, and the dorsal horn of the spine. Neuropeptides produced by the brain, arriving to open receptors in the intestines, are the root of the expression 'gut feeling'." Candice Pert, Pharmacologist, a leading investigator into ways that the mind talks with the body.
If its true that emotions are chemicals that cause reactions on the physical body then they are even easier to measure!
Until recently, the study of emotions was relegated to the fringes of science.
A decade or so ago, many researchers believed emotions, the feelings usually associated more with the heart than the head, couldn't be measured or studied in laboratory experiments. Researchers lacked instruments, and what's more, most scientists didn't recognize the far-ranging and long-lasting effects emotions can have on peoples' health.
More recently, though, hard scientific scrutiny of emotions has dramatically come into its own due in large part to a critical mass of researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Today, nearly two dozen scientists approach the study of emotions using the most advanced, non-invasive technology available to capture highly revealing images of the living brain responding to emotions.

My point is this, Emotions are real, measurable, and affect our lives at all times. Emotions are not the stuff of "dreams", although many dreams are caused by emotions. Having an emotion is not the same as dreaming or thinking about a red car. It like actually having a red car! I am not dreaming about writing this post...I am writing it, just like I did not "dream" about being happy today...I was happy. See the difference?
Something can be totally internal and yet be real and measurable.

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Well my point is, where is the line drawn? If emotions are "neuropeptides attaching to receptors and stimulating an electrical change on neurons", what causes this peptide to begin movement? why?

If I want to grab my bottle of Dr. Pepper, first there is the thought, then by thought alone I activate the precise muscular function to reach out and grasp the drink with my hand...but where does this thought come from, where does this "actually" begin?

Not sure I can explain adequately what I mean.

fortwynt wrote:Well my point is, where is the line drawn? If emotions are "neuropeptides attaching to receptors and stimulating an electrical change on neurons", what causes this peptide to begin movement? why?

If I want to grab my bottle of Dr. Pepper, first there is the thought, then by thought alone I activate the precise muscular function to reach out and grasp the drink with my hand...but where does this thought come from, where does this "actually" begin?

Not sure I can explain adequately what I mean.

nope, your Dr.P sensor actually started that thought

(you should not be riding a bicycle while guzzling a Dr.P)

then hand and eye kick in with robot arm(thou shall not spill or dribble or breath Dr.P)



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