The Black Vault

The facts speak for them selves. believe what you want to believe, history has a different story of the real facts. WW1 and WW2 were not caused by religion. Even the fact Hitler's genocide of Jews was a part of WW2, it was still not the cause of the war.

Blaming religion for all wars is a misconception and fabrication, from groups with an adgenda's that can only suceed by nullifying religious beliefs, like issues on abortion, birth control, and a few other sensitive issues. Painting some picutre the Pope in Rome and all his Cardinals being child abusers is typical of the kind of slurs, hidden adgenda will use.

G2 you can put as many facts up as you want but it will make no odds because most wars are started because to countries don’t get on. If you look back through history you will find most of it comes down to religion because that is the way Europe was ran in the middle ages.


You cannot deny that religion has been misused though can you?

greeney2 wrote:Painting some picutre the Pope in Rome and all his Cardinals being child abusers is typical of the kind of slurs, hidden adgenda will use.

You went back and edited it. I was just about to point that part out as well.

It’s stupid that SOME people think of ALL religious people to be child abusers. It’s quite pathetic to be honest.

newinitiation wrote:Yet so many gullible people fall for it time and time again.

You’ve clearly not read you post then have you?

Lasmer, I did look into this question, and while some or even many wars are religous in nature the statement "religion has been the cause of more wars and deaths than all other ills of the world combined", IS TOTALLY UNTRUE. Saturos counters with the Crusades, which lasted 177 years, and they accounted for only 1 million deaths. WW2 alone killed 55 million(some estimates are 75) and WW2 was not a war about religion, neither was WW1. Spinning some idea the solgiers thought God was on their side, does not turn it into a religous war.

G2 you can put as many facts up as you want but it will make no odds because most wars are started because to countries don’t get on. If you look back through history you will find most of it comes down to religion because that is the way Europe was ran in the middle ages.

Europe is not the entire world, look at the link I gave about wars, and how many events listed are other than Europe. What prooves anthing to you, if you just ignore the true facts and written history?

Agenda's distort the truth to fulfill agenda's, and what better way than to just demonize all religions using war, and therefore no moral religous arguement is no longer valid. Thats the way adgenda's have used false facts, to support things like abortion where the churchs and religions had to be discredited in order to do these adgenda's.

greeney2 wrote:Lasmer, I did look into this question, and while some or even many wars are religous in nature the statement "religion has been the cause of more wars and deaths than all other ills of the world combined", IS TOTALLY UNTRUE. Saturos counters with the Crusades, which lasted 177 years, and they accounted for only 1 million deaths. WW2 alone killed 55 million(some estimates are 75) and WW2 was not a war about religion, neither was WW1. Spinning some idea the solgiers thought God was on their side, does not turn it into a religous war.

I agree with that. that is a pretty laughable idea I’ve got to agree. Sorry Saturos but it's true. the worlds population then wasn't much so there wouldn't have been the amount of people in the world needed to make your idea work.

G2 you can put as many facts up as you want but it will make no odds because most wars are started because to countries don’t get on. If you look back through history you will find most of it comes down to religion because that is the way Europe was ran in the middle ages.

Europe is not the entire world,

But it's what the world is based on. Disagreements between European nations spilled over into the new world.

It’s hard to say what it’s my head, I know what I mean to say but I can’t put it into worlds if you see what I mean.

WW2 alone killed 55 million(some estimates are 75) and WW2 was not a war about religion, neither was WW1.

I'm not saying they were fought for religion, I'm saying it was an under lying cause of it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

Lashmer, check this out, and read in the beginning the misconception about the Ireland and England conflicks. They are not religous in nature, and it will give you the explanation why not. You live in England and are convinced that it is a religous conflict, read about it here.

There are many misconceptions that blame religions for all wars and many things, and it is simply not true. Some would have you believe all Catholic priests are Pedifiles.
There are definatly religious wars, however religons are far from the causes of most wars, even if there is some minor element of religion involved, which many adgenda's want to capitalize on and distort. They turn something very minor in religous nature into some ingrediant of the war to spin it into a "religous War", as you see Saturos tried, claiming all sides think God is on their side therefore the war is religous.

greeney2 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

Lashmer, check this out, and read in the beginning the misconception about the Ireland and England conflicks. They are not religous in nature, and it will give you the explanation why not. You live in England and are convinced that it is a religous conflict, read about it here.

No you see this is what I’m saying, I know what I want to say but can’t say it.

newinitiation wrote:Proscribing to the insanity of false religious doctrines, these sleazy hyenas in powerful positions create havoc and more confusion for people to do the wrong thing rather than what is right.
If the pope is genuinely interested in doing good for the humanity in the name of GOD, he should sell billions upon billions of dollars worth of ill gotten vatican assets and save all the starving children around the world dying from malnutrition and hunger.

Yes, they have many treasures and an opulant palace. They also are the funding behind many soup kitchens and other charitable causes.

newinitiation wrote:Anyway what the heck is a nonprofit religious organisation doing with so much money in the first place.
Why are they still showing their hypocritical faces by appearing saintly in front of people whilst behind closed doors, be engaged in the most dispicable actions unbefitting of the supposed agent of GOD.
Is this not a clear indication of the insanity and falsity of religious doctrines

What about Babtists, Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Hare Krishnas. They are all religious organizations and if you belong to one then you may not live as well as those on the top. My point is organizations are a manmade thing and therefor prone to mistakes. Don't 'throw the baby out with the bathwater'.

newinitiation wrote:If society foster these criminals in power and continue to give them blank cheque to consolidate more power for themselves and accumulate obscene amount of wealth at the expense of the health of humanity, then we as a collective are also to blame for letting these criminals to wreak havoc on our society with no checks and balances.

Fortunately I live in America where FREEDOM of choice allows one to belong to any religious sect of their choosing. Have to agree with you on that last part.

newinitiation wrote:And if these criminals represent the epitome of the righteousness of religion then its no wonder why religion itself is viewed so harshly.

God represents the epitome of righteouness.

newinitiation wrote:And yet this has been the best that religion had achieved up until now, to wreak havoc on society, foster very criminal minded power hungry depots selling GODs name to profit tremendously whilst turning a blind eye to starving children in the own back yards.

Again you paint with a broad stroke all religious people. Most religious people are some of the most sincere and caring people you will find anywhere. The ones I know anyway. I have my charities as I suppose they do also so, instead of judging others, maybe we need to focus on what we can do to 'feed the starving children in our own backyards'.

newinitiation wrote:But still people who believe in this nonsense have been so brainwashed by the very belief system that has become an integral part of their own existence that it becomes a threat on account of any outsider that questions the very foundation of their beliefs system which they'll fervently redouble their effort to protect.

It's funny to me how some will persistently argue that belief in the Bible is some kind of mind control when, at its core, it is still just a book. You may label it nonsense if you like; that will not change my perception and, until you prove that it is a fallacy, I will believe that BOOK of RIGHTEOUSNESS over you or any that claim it is false.

Careful gudskepteacal, this is a genuine follower of someone passing off a trash can lid as a flying saucer, but we are stupid for believing in God, and reading he Bible. At least we won't to the Heaven or Hell with his system, either we will goto Landfill #1 built into a golf course if we are good, or Landfill #2 still used for toxic waste and spent Nuclear fuel rods if we are bad.