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Postby starman » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:35 pm

The debate over Evolution vs Creationism just won't go away. I believe there is a very good reason for this seemingly never ending debate. What is at stake here, is truth. Is God real or not? Creation Science takes the viewpoint that the Bible's account of creation is true. That an all powerful, loving God, created our world and all living creatures. The theory of evolution counteracts this truth with a truth of it's own. Evolution explains the origin of existence without an all powerful, loving God. Evolution embraces atheism and attempts to explain our world without the existence of God. Creation embraces God as the reason for our existence. Two truths in diametric contradiction with each other.

To find the truth, there must be evidence to substantiate, make real, and give substance to ideas that are espoused as truth. We know for a fact that evolution is true. If evolution weren't true, it wouldn't be very good at predicting how viruses adapt to changing environments. Many people will accept micro evolution, but not macro evolution. There is ample evidence for macro evolution. One example is a fossil named Tiktaalik Roseae. A fish that lived about 375 million years ago and had forward fins containing the bones and joints of two stumpy legs. This is a species that links water dwelling fish to land dwelling four legged tetra pods. There are many examples that point to the truth of evolution. But there is a reason why people deny the truth and opt for a fantasy world. The reason is simply death. All religions promise an afterlife. Death is not final and we will all live on in paradise along with our loved ones. It is a false belief that causes some people to deny scientific facts in order for them to live in a fantasy world. Is God real or not? Let the evidence speak for itself.
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Postby Lucifer » Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:42 pm

starman wrote:The debate over Evolution vs Creationism just won't go away. I believe there is a very good reason for this seemingly never ending debate. What is at stake here, is truth. Is God real or not? Creation Science takes the viewpoint that the Bible's account of creation is true. That an all powerful, loving God, created our world and all living creatures. The theory of evolution counteracts this truth with a truth of it's own. Evolution explains the origin of existence without an all powerful, loving God. Evolution embraces atheism and attempts to explain our world without the existence of God. Creation embraces God as the reason for our existence. Two truths in diametric contradiction with each other.

To find the truth, there must be evidence to substantiate, make real, and give substance to ideas that are espoused as truth. We know for a fact that evolution is true. If evolution weren't true, it wouldn't be very good at predicting how viruses adapt to changing environments. Many people will accept micro evolution, but not macro evolution. There is ample evidence for macro evolution. One example is a fossil named Tiktaalik Roseae. A fish that lived about 375 million years ago and had forward fins containing the bones and joints of two stumpy legs. This is a species that links water dwelling fish to land dwelling four legged tetra pods. There are many examples that point to the truth of evolution. But there is a reason why people deny the truth and opt for a fantasy world. The reason is simply death. All religions promise an afterlife. Death is not final and we will all live on in paradise along with our loved ones. It is a false belief that causes some people to deny scientific facts in order for them to live in a fantasy world. Is God real or not? Let the evidence speak for itself.


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Postby Dark-Samus » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:14 am

It won´t go away untill we meet an alien species way ahead of us or untill we evolve as a species.
We still have the mentality of a caveman :roll:
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Postby greeney2 » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:47 am

It is a false belief that causes some people to deny scientific facts in order for them to live in a fantasy world. Is God real or not? Let the evidence speak for itself.


If you are so secure in your belief, why are you so intent on not allowing others to dwell on a so called "false belief and fantasy world" as you put it, and believing there is an after life and God after we are done on this earth?

Your evolution theory has not disproven the existance of God, nor disproven the idea of an afterlife, thats the evidence you don't have. Evolution tell you Heaven or Hell doesn't exist? Evolution proves some things, but is has not answered many questions, has it? Evolution doesn't disprove anything, concerning a God or afterlife.

The bible only tells that God created the Heavens and Earth, but doesn't tell how or doesn't tell what a day was to God. OUr concept of time is a day is one revolution of the earth, and a year is the earth taking 365 days to circle the Sun. But that didn't exist in he beginning, so we don't even know what "time" was or is to God, we only know "time" as it relates to our Earths orbit. Evolution has not answered why we are made up from the same basic elements thruout the Universe, or why the Universe extents to infinity. What purpose is there to an endless universe and if we ever find the end to it, what is just past the end? Evolution is one theory, but in the big picutre of the Universe it is information off a grain of sand in comparison, and maybe enough for you to assume there is no God, and no Afterlife, but not to billions of others on the Earth, who have similar beliefs through many many religions.

When I think you are smarter than God, I'll tell myself I'm in a fantasy world, while you dwell on trying to proove what we all will find out somday when we die. People like you are full of advise for everyone else, and always seem to be intent on putting a cloud over a way of life you can;t relate to.

Are you that sure of your belief, you are willing to risk anothers sole into following you, and forsaking God in his/her present belief? Thats a sad statement about you if you would.

I don't think pursuading people to become atheists is very admirable, when if you are wrong, who's work have you accomplished? Who do you think you are to reduce the religions of the world to a false belief and fantasy world because you read something in Popular mechanics. :roll:
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Postby Dark-Samus » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:55 am

Your evolution theory has not disproven the existance of God, nor disproven the idea of an afterlife, thats the evidence you don't have.


Stangely enough I agree with that part.

I don´t think Evolution is comparable to Creationism.

It´s not really the same thing.

The Big Bang theroy should take it´s place.
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Postby greeney2 » Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:25 am

Why isn;t the big bang and evolution all the ways of creation?
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Postby Dark-Samus » Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:07 am

Because no one has proven neither side.

And if science proves that there are many universes out there.
Then sorry but the God theory gets erased in a second.
And no religions can´t say, "but that´s what we meant all along!"

If they do, bucnh of hypocritical morons.
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Postby qmark » Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:23 pm

Dark-Samus wrote:Because no one has proven neither side.

And if science proves that there are many universes out there.
Then sorry but the God theory gets erased in a second.
And no religions can´t say, "but that´s what we meant all along!"

If they do, bucnh of hypocritical morons.


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Postby Lucifer » Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:20 am

Here are some theosophical writings. Theosophy is literally the "wisdom of god". I believe the capacity for intelligence and a conscious capacity to facilitate understanding, compassion, love and other states of the conscious mind have allowed us a state upon which to comprehend an understanding of the nature of things and that driving force of nature. I believe that this is much like talking to God, which provides for an evolutionary state of being which encompasses both the physical and spiritual exsistence.

Isis Unveiled: A Master-Key to the Mysteries of Ancient and Modern Science and Theology, 2 Vols. (New York NY: Bouton; London: Quaritch, 1877) wrote:Between these two conflicting Titans — Science and Theology — is a bewildered public losing all belief in man’s personal immortality, in deity of any kind, and rapidly descending to the level of a mere animal existence. Such is the picture of the hour, illumined by the bright noon-day sun of this Christian and scientific era!
Isis Unveiled 1, x


An understanding and wisdom of the divine nature of God has been understood through religious principles and virtues of the nature of God.

The Key to Theosophy (London: Theosophical Publishing Co., 1889) wrote:Esoteric Buddhism is pure€ly Theosophical and has no real connection with the historical religion founded by Lord Gautama Siddhartha, beyond the fact that the term Budha or Vidya is wisdom, divine knowledge, while Buddha means the personal acquisition of that knowledge, and therefore he who embodies that wisdom; Madame Blavatsky commented that it ‘was an excellent work with a very unfortunate title’ (The Secret Doctrine 1, xvii-xviii). However, like the traditional Buddhism, Theosophy is largely unconcerned with Deity, positing an impersonal Absolute:

The Key to Theosophy (London: Theosophical Publishing Co., 1889) wrote:Our DEITY. . . is everywhere, in every atom of the visible as of the invisible Cosmos, in, over, and around every invisible atom and divisible molecule; for IT is the mysterious power of evolution and involution, the omnipresent, omnipotent, and even omniscient creative potentiality’ which does not think, ‘for the simple reason that it is Absolute Thought itself. Nor does it exist, for the same reason, as it is absolute existence, and Be-ness, not a Being. . . . It is a sphere, without circumference, in its symbolism, which has but one ever-acting attribute embracing all other existing or thinkable attributes — ITSELF’
(The Key to Theosophy 64-65)


Conversely, man is not only a God, but God, since ‘the inner man is the only God we can have cognizance of. . . . Grant us our postulate that God is a universally diffused, infinite principle, and how can man alone escape being soaked through by, and in, the Deity?’ so that prayer, such as it is Theosophically, is the manifestation of ‘Will-Power’ and should be addressed to the upper triad within, the ‘Higher Spiritual Ego [Human Soul/Manas] immersed in Atma-Buddhic light’ while ‘crushing out the desires of the lower personal ego or physical man’, the Vehicle of Will or Animal Soul (The Key to Theosophy 67-68).


In certain theosophical circles there are principles which are inherent in hinduism and buddist beliefs which provide an understanding of the concept of the human soul and its immortal nature and its relationship with the divine nature of God.
The lowest of the principles is the Physical Body (Sthula Rupa), which is probably the only incontrovertible element of the system but is sometimes excluded as irrelevant to spiritual aspirants.

The next two principles vary in order, but are intimately linked:

the Life principle (Prana or Jiva) and
its Vehicle, the Etheric Double (Linga Sharira) which corresponds very closely to the Physical Body, since Life is tied to the Physical. The Etheric Double is supposedly manifest at a subtle level of matter, though the degree of subtlety varies according to the authority.
The fourth principle is of central importance and position, the Kama, the ‘passional and emotional part of our nature’ (SPM 1), ‘often translated 'Body of Desire,' . . . . A closer translation . . . would, perhaps, be 'Vehicle of Will' but the name . . . Animal Soul, may be more accurately suggestive still’ (Esoteric Budhism, 28-29).
The fifth principle is Manas, a Sanskrit word cognate with the Latin ‘mens’ or English ‘mind’ and with equally broad application, while the associated word, Manu, means ‘thinking, wise, intelligent’ and by extension ‘man, mankind’. Besant states that the principle is best translated as ‘Thinker’ since it is regarded as the distinguishing Human Soul, the individuating principle or will (SPM 29).
The sixth principle of Buddhi, ‘intelligence’ or ‘intellect’, is interpreted as the Spiritual Soul, and is regarded as usually unrealised in current man; it acts as the vehicle for
the seventh principle, Atman, which is the spark of impersonal divinity that is the fundamental selfhood of all beings, and also unrealised in all but a handful of people.


Similar beliefs are naturally inherent within the spiritual fabric of humankind and the soul is the gateway to such wisdom and knowledge. So its not so much the question of God not being real or not but rather do you believe.


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Postby beachcomber » Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:45 pm

Living Inside a Mega Brain

By Jay Alfred


Metaphysicists identify the records imprinted on the zero point field as the "Akashic records". This forms the "memory" of the universal brain-mind or computer.

According to metaphysicist, Charles Leadbeater, if the observer is not focusing on them, the records simply form the background to whatever is going on. Under such conditions they merely reflect the mental activity of a greater consciousness on a far higher plane which is accessible to us. We are in a sense living in this much larger brain. This suggests that all human beings (and other life-forms) can and do use the shared (information processing) services of a "universal brain".

Observing the dynamic and visual Akashic records would be like watching the larger brain's movie from a distance.

As you move closer and focus on what is going on in a particular scene, you are immediately in the scene, surrounded by all the characters.

The characters of course cannot see you. Neither can you change anything in the scene. In this way, a person can time travel as an observer, without violating causality. What you see is sometimes in the past and sometimes in the future. The rate at which "the story unfolds" can be altered. Genuine psychics and most people during near-death experiences have access to these records.

Leadbeater warns that the Akashic records must not be confused with mere man-made thought-forms, which exist in abundance in the higher energy planes or spheres. It is possible that if the right brain is not shielded effectively from the usually dominant left brain (the "theory maker") many errors will arise when reading the records.

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