starman wrote:The debate over Evolution vs Creationism just won't go away. I believe there is a very good reason for this seemingly never ending debate. What is at stake here, is truth. Is God real or not? Creation Science takes the viewpoint that the Bible's account of creation is true. That an all powerful, loving God, created our world and all living creatures. The theory of evolution counteracts this truth with a truth of it's own. Evolution explains the origin of existence without an all powerful, loving God. Evolution embraces atheism and attempts to explain our world without the existence of God. Creation embraces God as the reason for our existence. Two truths in diametric contradiction with each other.
To find the truth, there must be evidence to substantiate, make real, and give substance to ideas that are espoused as truth. We know for a fact that evolution is true. If evolution weren't true, it wouldn't be very good at predicting how viruses adapt to changing environments. Many people will accept micro evolution, but not macro evolution. There is ample evidence for macro evolution. One example is a fossil named Tiktaalik Roseae. A fish that lived about 375 million years ago and had forward fins containing the bones and joints of two stumpy legs. This is a species that links water dwelling fish to land dwelling four legged tetra pods. There are many examples that point to the truth of evolution. But there is a reason why people deny the truth and opt for a fantasy world. The reason is simply death. All religions promise an afterlife. Death is not final and we will all live on in paradise along with our loved ones. It is a false belief that causes some people to deny scientific facts in order for them to live in a fantasy world. Is God real or not? Let the evidence speak for itself.
It is a false belief that causes some people to deny scientific facts in order for them to live in a fantasy world. Is God real or not? Let the evidence speak for itself.
Your evolution theory has not disproven the existance of God, nor disproven the idea of an afterlife, thats the evidence you don't have.
Dark-Samus wrote:Because no one has proven neither side.
And if science proves that there are many universes out there.
Then sorry but the God theory gets erased in a second.
And no religions can´t say, "but that´s what we meant all along!"
If they do, bucnh of hypocritical morons.
Isis Unveiled: A Master-Key to the Mysteries of Ancient and Modern Science and Theology, 2 Vols. (New York NY: Bouton; London: Quaritch, 1877) wrote:Between these two conflicting Titans — Science and Theology — is a bewildered public losing all belief in man’s personal immortality, in deity of any kind, and rapidly descending to the level of a mere animal existence. Such is the picture of the hour, illumined by the bright noon-day sun of this Christian and scientific era!
Isis Unveiled 1, x
The Key to Theosophy (London: Theosophical Publishing Co., 1889) wrote:Esoteric Buddhism is pure€ly Theosophical and has no real connection with the historical religion founded by Lord Gautama Siddhartha, beyond the fact that the term Budha or Vidya is wisdom, divine knowledge, while Buddha means the personal acquisition of that knowledge, and therefore he who embodies that wisdom; Madame Blavatsky commented that it ‘was an excellent work with a very unfortunate title’ (The Secret Doctrine 1, xvii-xviii). However, like the traditional Buddhism, Theosophy is largely unconcerned with Deity, positing an impersonal Absolute:The Key to Theosophy (London: Theosophical Publishing Co., 1889) wrote:Our DEITY. . . is everywhere, in every atom of the visible as of the invisible Cosmos, in, over, and around every invisible atom and divisible molecule; for IT is the mysterious power of evolution and involution, the omnipresent, omnipotent, and even omniscient creative potentiality’ which does not think, ‘for the simple reason that it is Absolute Thought itself. Nor does it exist, for the same reason, as it is absolute existence, and Be-ness, not a Being. . . . It is a sphere, without circumference, in its symbolism, which has but one ever-acting attribute embracing all other existing or thinkable attributes — ITSELF’
(The Key to Theosophy 64-65)
Conversely, man is not only a God, but God, since ‘the inner man is the only God we can have cognizance of. . . . Grant us our postulate that God is a universally diffused, infinite principle, and how can man alone escape being soaked through by, and in, the Deity?’ so that prayer, such as it is Theosophically, is the manifestation of ‘Will-Power’ and should be addressed to the upper triad within, the ‘Higher Spiritual Ego [Human Soul/Manas] immersed in Atma-Buddhic light’ while ‘crushing out the desires of the lower personal ego or physical man’, the Vehicle of Will or Animal Soul (The Key to Theosophy 67-68).
The lowest of the principles is the Physical Body (Sthula Rupa), which is probably the only incontrovertible element of the system but is sometimes excluded as irrelevant to spiritual aspirants.
The next two principles vary in order, but are intimately linked:
the Life principle (Prana or Jiva) and
its Vehicle, the Etheric Double (Linga Sharira) which corresponds very closely to the Physical Body, since Life is tied to the Physical. The Etheric Double is supposedly manifest at a subtle level of matter, though the degree of subtlety varies according to the authority.
The fourth principle is of central importance and position, the Kama, the ‘passional and emotional part of our nature’ (SPM 1), ‘often translated 'Body of Desire,' . . . . A closer translation . . . would, perhaps, be 'Vehicle of Will' but the name . . . Animal Soul, may be more accurately suggestive still’ (Esoteric Budhism, 28-29).
The fifth principle is Manas, a Sanskrit word cognate with the Latin ‘mens’ or English ‘mind’ and with equally broad application, while the associated word, Manu, means ‘thinking, wise, intelligent’ and by extension ‘man, mankind’. Besant states that the principle is best translated as ‘Thinker’ since it is regarded as the distinguishing Human Soul, the individuating principle or will (SPM 29).
The sixth principle of Buddhi, ‘intelligence’ or ‘intellect’, is interpreted as the Spiritual Soul, and is regarded as usually unrealised in current man; it acts as the vehicle for
the seventh principle, Atman, which is the spark of impersonal divinity that is the fundamental selfhood of all beings, and also unrealised in all but a handful of people.