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Postby Dark-Samus » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:22 am

Evil = Mankind

Can´t explain it more simpler :roll: :roll: :roll:
Truth doesn´t control you, you control it...
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Postby bionic » Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:46 am

this thread reminds me of a John Lennon song....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okd3hLlvvLw
Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams
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Postby CodeBlack » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:47 am

Mr. "I'm more popular than Jesus." ? Yeah, forget that he lived in a time before international television and jet aircraft.

But that song is b.s. anyway. Its based on the typical left wing lack of understanding of spiritual people. "Imagine everyone living for today." Well, believe it or not that is what people are doing. You can blame them for being too lazy to solve all the world's problems but no one is sacrificing today for some religious based afterlife. Not really. It may have been that way in the days of absolute rule by the Roman Catholic Church for some but its not true in the 20th and 21st centuries. Christians want the world to be a better place now. The left does not seem to comprehend that and instead opt for fascism. Since the left went Joseph Stalin on us have people become happier? No, that's why BO's polls are dropping like a rock. People are suckers for being told what they want to hear and that is exactly what made John Lennon famous and BO president.

Oh yeah, how much does John Lennon effect the people of the world today compared to Jesus? Answer that one. Outside of some die hard fans and some of the generation who grew up with Lennon he's already been forgotten, as will MJ be. That's the lesson of fame. But Jesus will live on.
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Postby starman » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:14 pm

CodeBlack wrote:Mr. "I'm more popular than Jesus." ? Yeah, forget that he lived in a time before international television and jet aircraft.

But that song is b.s. anyway. Its based on the typical left wing lack of understanding of spiritual people. "Imagine everyone living for today." Well, believe it or not that is what people are doing. You can blame them for being too lazy to solve all the world's problems but no one is sacrificing today for some religious based afterlife. Not really. It may have been that way in the days of absolute rule by the Roman Catholic Church for some but its not true in the 20th and 21st centuries. Christians want the world to be a better place now. The left does not seem to comprehend that and instead opt for fascism. Since the left went Joseph Stalin on us have people become happier? No, that's why BO's polls are dropping like a rock. People are suckers for being told what they want to hear and that is exactly what made John Lennon famous and BO president.

Oh yeah, how much does John Lennon effect the people of the world today compared to Jesus? Answer that one. Outside of some die hard fans and some of the generation who grew up with Lennon he's already been forgotten, as will MJ be. That's the lesson of fame. But Jesus will live on.


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross." Sinclair Lewis

Your use of the word fascism, is clearly pejorative. Your comments are nothing more than mere right-wing rhetoric. Empty talk lacking any factual basis. Accusations and innuendos coming from someone besieged by our current administration. Signs or symptoms of fascism are: extreme nationalism (you're either with us or against us), the disdain of human rights, unprecedented secrecy, military supremacy over domestic needs, fraudulent elections, suppression of labor power and the protection and strengthening of corporate power, using religion to manipulate public opinion, controlled mass media, the use of torture, hatred of intellectuals and more. Any of this sound remotely familiar to you. Of course not. You keep your head where the sun doesn't shine. The only sucker here, is you. "Imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try". :twisted:
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Postby CodeBlack » Sun Jul 12, 2009 6:54 pm

Thank you for making my point for me. Most of those things are happening today. What exactly in my statements was "rhetoric"??
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Postby fortwynt » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:35 am

I suspect because you highlighted the fact that most Christians seek a better world and truly do believe the greater good to be a real achievable concept to strive for, that he has erroneously implied you didn't understand that fascism has hijacked christianity to achieve its goals.

While misguided about many things, (most) Christian groups are not advocating or endorsing slaughtering people or subjucating anyone.

It is true that the Christian majority has been cleverly duped to where now it is generally accepted that allegence to the government = allegence to the Christian God...how these two concepts were made relational in anyones mind who has seriously read the bible is beyond me.

These days, flag worship (which is thinly veiled idol worship) and swallowing this whole concept that to be patriotic one must believe and endorse the war on terror, has become interconnected to one identifying themselves as Christian...ironic, no?

It is actually a form of neo-Christianity....of course it's no secret that military/government powers, when seeking to garner massive support for their actions, fuse patriotism to religion....it is a very clever and effective tool.

People are supremely confused where I live, a state that has historically considered itself a "Democrat" majority state...around here (historically poverty riddled) people mistakenly believe that the "Democrat" party is "for the workin' man"....and that "Republican" is "for the rich".....and people tend to vote along with their families historic voting patterns....if your parents were democrat it is nearly a certainty you will be a democrat as well....

The funny thing is, this state is also a majority Conservative Christian state....so and odd thing happens....people dont seem to understand that the mainline Democrat party tends to be (what could be considered) quite secular....so you have Christians who dont understand that they are voting people into office who, if they tote the party lines, are philosophically at odds with what the voters personally represent.

It's a curious thing indeed.
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Postby CodeBlack » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:54 pm

Well, lets not over connect things that are not really connected. I don't think Christianity has anything to do with what is going on today. I also don't think there is ANY significant Christian movement in the US today. There is, however, a substantial movement within Christianity towards Catholicism both in the US and Europe/UK but that is a defensive move because Christianity has been under direct attack by the statists for more than 2 decades now.

The human race is divided into 2 basic philosophies, the individual and the collective. The left is for the collective and the right is for the individual, usually. There are wealthy and poor on both sides. But politics trumps all and today the #1 thing going on is a steady march to socialism. And that is causing people of both philosophies to get worried. At the end of the day people know what made the world a better place than it was before and sure as hell was not socialism. The cards are being shuffled and it shows in institutions all around.

People blame religion for all kinds of things it had nothing to do with and that is especially true for Christianity. Unfortunate for mankind.

This is a hidden war and it was declared by the statists on Christians. Christians have a right to defend themselves. This is why the Rome comparison is important. Christianity threatened to tear Rome in two and its going to be the same with the US.

Where do you see fascism hijacking Christianity? I see fascism corrupting the left and especially those in power now. Yeah, the flag waving has been getting steadily worse but who is behind it and is that really the problem?

Don't misinterpret, the real battle is between the state and the individual. Everything else is side show.
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Postby CodeBlack » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:13 pm

As for the War on Terrorism (WoT) and anyone connecting support to that with support for anything else, I really don't see that happening, but I do see people claiming that it is. The problem is that the WoT only existed in the US for 1 day, 9-11. It then went elsewhere, back where it came. But terrorism was a significant and growing problem all through the 80's and 90's. It was effecting not only the entire Middle East but also Africa, Southern Asia and parts of Europe and former Soviet states. I don't see any Christians trying to link Christianity to anything so I don't see where that is coming from unless its just another attack from the statists (like Nero claiming the Christians set fire to Rome).

We have dealt terrorism a series of significant blows. It has far less power, influence, and support than it had on 9-11. But the terrorists are down, not out.
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Postby jwebb » Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:03 pm

"What If God Disappeared?"

oh you jokester you..
he has never been here, he cant disappear.
There can be no faith in government if our highest offices are excused from scrutiny - they should be setting the example of transparency.
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