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Postby greeney2 » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:31 am

You don't need to be an expert to understand this deal. The Hospitals already are all hardpressed now because of the underpayments that come from Medicare and Medicad. This is why they overbill everyone else's insurance, to pad those losses and the losses from those who never pay, like the illegals using the emergency rooms, state aid like Medical in California, all states probably have similar programs.

Where else can they make up this $155B they are said to be willing to give up for funding, from frunds that are already grossly underpaid and a loss to your local Hospitals? the only place if can be made up from is your pockets or the pockets of your insurance.


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WASHINGTON – The nation's hospitals will give up $155 billion in future Medicare and Medicaid payments to help defray the cost of President Barack Obama's health care plan, a concession the White House hopes will boost an overhaul effort that's hit a roadblock in Congress.

Vice President Joe Biden announced the deal at the White House on Wednesday, with administration officials and hospital administrators at his side.

"Reform is coming. It is on track; it is coming. We have tried for decades to fix a broken system, and we have never, in my entire tenure in public life, been this close," Biden said. And in a firm message to lawmakers, Biden added, "We must — and we will — enact reform by the end of August."

Obama has set an ambitious timetable for legislation, with the hope of signing a comprehensive bill in October. But lawmakers returned Tuesday from their July 4 break with lots of questions about the complex legislation and deep misgivings about key elements under discussion.

Democratic senators in particular are having second thoughts about a proposed new tax on generous health insurance benefits provided by some employers. Without the tax — Republicans favor it as a brake on cost increases — the prospects for a bipartisan deal in the Senate appear to be in jeopardy.

Timing is critical because lawmakers might be reluctant to vote on such a charged issue as health care next year, when all House members and one-third of senators face elections.

"We're not there yet," said Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., who, as chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, has spent countless hours seeking a compromise with Republican colleagues. "I'm trying the best I can to get there soon."

Another senator deeply involved in the bipartisan negotiations said the proposed new tax on the costliest employer-paid insurance benefits is quickly losing favor with Democrats.

"It's clearly a very difficult issue," said Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., citing recent polls. "You go to the public to ask them what they think and they don't like it."

A compilation of surveys reviewed by senators showed at least 59 percent of the public opposed to taxing health care benefits to "pay for reform."

As a result, Conrad said, "we're looking at other options" to help finance a bill whose price tag is expected to reach $1 trillion or slightly more. Those other options may be hard to sell to Republicans whose support Baucus has been cultivating.

Baucus has long championed a tax on health benefits as the best way to pay for health care while simultaneously restraining the growth of the cost of coverage in the future. But the idea has drawn strong opposition from organized labor, a core Democratic constituency. House Democrats have been highly resistant, too, and Obama campaigned hard against it in last year's run for the White House.

The deal with the hospitals — the one bright spot right now for Obama — may also be on shaky ground. Officials said it's pegged to the Senate Finance Committee legislation that Baucus is negotiating, and whose prospects are uncertain. It would follow concessions from drug companies, and an announcement by Wal-Mart last week that it would support an employer requirement to help pay for health care.

Of the $155 billion in projected savings from hospitals, about $40 billion to $50 billion would come from reducing federal payments hospitals receive for providing care to uninsured and low-income patients, according to lobbyists. Those payments are now made through the Medicare and Medicaid programs. The Medicaid cuts would be apportioned by state, as 10 percent annual reductions beginning around 2015.

Officials of public hospitals say they have concerns such reductions could also squeeze funding for trauma centers and burn units, which receive Medicare and Medicaid money. But they wanted to see the fine print.

Other savings of about $100 billion would come from slowing increases in planned Medicare payments to hospitals. A small amount of savings would come from trimming the money hospitals get for preventing patients from being readmitted for additional care.

Hospitals would also get something out of the deal. They won an agreement that if the Finance Committee's legislation includes a public health insurance plan, it would reimburse hospitals at above the rates Medicare and Medicaid pay, which hospitals have long complained are insufficient.

The issue of a government insurance plan to compete against private companies continued to inflame sentiments on both sides of the political aisle. Republicans remain solidly opposed. Democrats, citing polls that show the public is open to the idea, are talking about a showdown on the issue.

Biden was joined at the White House by Rich Umbdenstock, president of the American Hospital Association, Richard Bracken, president of Hospital Corporation of America, Wayne Smith, president of Community Health Systems, and Sister Carol Keehan, president of Catholic Health Association of the United States.

"We know how urgently reform is needed, both for moral and economic purposes," said Keehan, who represents Catholic hospitals.

House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio criticized the hospital deal, saying it was negotiated out of public view. "The administration and congressional Democrats are literally bullying health care groups into cutting backroom deals to fund a government takeover of health care," Boehner said in a statement.
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Postby Lashmar » Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:07 pm

This is why they overbill everyone else's insurance, to pad those losses and the losses from those who never pay, like the illegals using the emergency rooms, state aid like Medical in California, all states probably have similar programs.


How much is medical insurance in the US?
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Postby greeney2 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:06 am

Price depends on a lot of factors. Age, exsisting conditions, Dependants, occupation, zip code where you live, if you smoke, etc. etc. Than you also specify the level of coverage you want, higher deductables and co-pays, lower premiums. Cheaper policies have lower lifetime limits, and a major medcal problem can cost hundreds of thousands. Also consider prescription coverage amounts which are usually separage policies. Most policies will specify one level of coverage to preferred providers, and much less coverage for non-providers plus you can still owe them $$$ over and above the proceedure reasonable and customary charges. Generally you can never buy coverage as good as group coverage in your workplace. Thats why its ludicras to drop insurance coverage on people who have been insured from work, and suddenly trying to buy insurance when you are in your 50's or 60's. The costs are staggering to most people. Many companies are self insured, buy they tell you the employee your insurance package for you and dependants is valued at as much as $8000 and far higher. thats what they valued our coverage at many years ago, so its much higher today.
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Postby rath » Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:22 am

Health Care Plan A Joke!


In the USA it is.
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Postby Lashmar » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:57 am

greeney2 wrote:Many companies are self insured, buy they tell you the employee your insurance package for you and dependants is valued at as much as $8000 and far higher. thats what they valued our coverage at many years ago, so its much higher today.


Our Health just comes out of our tax. It’s annoying sometimes because they pay so much to have the hospitals and such stuff cleaned (my MP got a letter about that as well) they could do a much better job if they didn’t waste it on crap like that. They pay for a private company to come in and do it rather than from the NHS directly. :x :roll:

It's becuase of labor by the way. :x
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Postby greeney2 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:58 am

Why wouldn't you have full time people just to clean the hospitals as an ongoing thing? Sounds like cleanliness is not a daily, or even hourly chore. That actually sounds very bad, that you call in cleaners periodically, rather than it being an ongoing process 24/7.
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Postby Lashmar » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:05 am

They’re cleaned constantly but our government (brains of Britain they are, they make a stone look like a genius) haven’t worked out that if it cost them £1 million to clean the hospital (as an example) but when they outsource it cost them £1.2 million to do the same job because the company they they’re outsourcing from want to earn money as well so they add a bit more to the cost.

It's the same thing being done but they are too stupid to work it out. :roll:
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Postby greeney2 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:25 am

outsouring gets any company out of benifit packages and pension plans. They are all doing it, and almost every company likes to limit as much unskilled labor to part time for the same reason in the USA.
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