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Postby earthman » Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:28 pm

Interesting.... If you read the creation files it must have been a wild chat between brain half's. To come up with the creation story was a really active brain. :idea: And this subject is revolved around Religon. The "Gods" are the one that guided the Sumerians in there building of the first great organized society. I must have been more then just and idea to start. From what we can tell it all happend so fast that interfearance must have happend.

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Postby CodeBlack » Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:47 pm

You could speculate that the separated background mind worked out emotional issues thereby coming up with gods as the solution, then when the barrier broke down between the 2 minds that solution was made available to the other half which used it as a way to get people to help build the city. The Egyptians used a similar concept to get their people to build cities (and the pyramids). The only problem is that concepts of god(s) significantly predate the Sumerian age.
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Postby soulvictoria » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:45 am

The theory makes sence, in the way that we are curious and maybe that's where our curiosity comes from, but, the fact that we developed an advanced mind doesn't explains why sumerians had such advanced knowledge about (for instance) astronomy.

One thing is to have the potential of understanding something, and another is to have the right tools for the job. In this case, they knew the planets, they talk of Uranus and Neptune as "brothers", light blue coloured. Modern science could only corroborate that in the 70's, when the first clear pictures of these planets where taken, and showed that they where light blue and very similar in many ways.

Even if they where super genius, they didn't had space probes to explore the solar system... or did they?

That kind of data couldn't be generated by the use of a telescope. We didn't got it 'till we send a probe.

What you think?
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Postby CodeBlack » Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:11 pm

Ancient humans had all kinds of knowledge, you have to wonder where the heck they got it. Numerous theories place the blame on aliens transferring advanced knowledge to man, on purpose or by accident. I tend to believe the latter. An advanced civilization would be foolish to give a lesser one their technology. We have done it on earth but the technological differences were comparatively small.

I believe something truly bizarre happened in ancient Egypt and it all centers around the Great Pyramid. Modern humans could not duplicate the GP if our life depended on it. All the other pyramids were monkey see, monkey do, and ultimately monkey can't.
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Postby Aquatank » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:21 am

Humans did everything they accomplished with no outside help. Those who say otherwise just don't understand our species genius and capabilities.
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Postby CodeBlack » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:21 pm

Historical evidence would indicate otherwise. How do you explain all the advanced knowledge? How do you explain a group of humans thousands of years ago knowing about stars that cannot be seen without modern telescopes? How do you explain the numerous advanced technologies used to build the Great Pyramid?
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Postby Percival » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:19 am

CodeBlack wrote:Historical evidence would indicate otherwise. How do you explain all the advanced knowledge? How do you explain a group of humans thousands of years ago knowing about stars that cannot be seen without modern telescopes? How do you explain the numerous advanced technologies used to build the Great Pyramid?


You don't need aliens to explain humanity's accomplishments. As far as ancient Sumerian knowledge goes, it all depends on how their texts are interpreted.

The pyramids were built without the aid of any advanced technology. Humans have been shoving large rocks around for thousands of years. They built the Gobekli Tepe structures around 11500 years ago, even before agriculture was invented. When the Egyptians built their pyramids or the Sumerians their Ziggurats in the 3rd millenium the technologies to do so had been in development for countless generations, and the Great Pyramid at Giza simply represents the pinnacle of a long established tradition, where knowledge builds on knowledge.

Its a shame megalithism died out and the knowledge lost, because although it isn't difficult to explain how they were built, we can never be sure, and because however they were created would require a degree of labour and commitment that's hard to understand in this day and age, we are tempted to rob humanity of its accomplishments and look elsewhere for explanations.

Also, Sumerian civilisation didn't exactly appear out of nowhere as sensationalist authors like to contrive. Imagine historians or archaeologists in the far future looking back at today and wondering how we went from an agrarian rural culture to an urban digital age with moon landings, computers, and nuclear power in only a few centuries. Would they be tempted to think such a leap of civilisation wasn't possible without external help? Perhaps, but they'd be wrong.

Likewise, when a group of people several thousand years ago settled a fertile river plain in the middle east, and already had thousands of years of incremental knowledge in agriculture, megalithic masonry, and astronomical observations, its not surprising that during a particularly prosperous period when life and survival was relatively easy, large numbers of people had the time to turn their minds to other things and civilisation quickly became the result.

It is possible for human societies to develop rapidly when the conditions are favourable.
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Postby CodeBlack » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:54 pm

Percival wrote:The pyramids were built without the aid of any advanced technology. Humans have been shoving large rocks around for thousands of years. They built the Gobekli Tepe structures around 11500 years ago, even before agriculture was invented. When the Egyptians built their pyramids or the Sumerians their Ziggurats in the 3rd millenium the technologies to do so had been in development for countless generations, and the Great Pyramid at Giza simply represents the pinnacle of a long established tradition, where knowledge builds on knowledge.

Unfortunately, none of that applies to the Great Pyramid. You could write an entire book just discussing the remarkable, unexplainable aspects of the GP, and some have. Its a whole lot more than shoving rocks around, feats we can't match today even with machines.

Just to give you a taste: There is a floor inside one of the chambers that runs for something near 100 feet that is perfectly flat. And when I say "flat" I mean perfectly flat, to such degree that we could not duplicate it using any technology today, including that which was used to produce the mirrors for the Hubble (flawed as they were). And the "Egyptians" did this with granite!

Another taste: There were pieces removed from the GP that appear to have been produced using sonic cutters, grinders, or something. We can't duplicate them either.

Yet another: The so-called King's Chamber is free floating on all sides except the bottom which is sitting on stone cut like egg crates to produce minimum contact with the chamber floor. The amount of work to do that is phenomenal! Why would they go to such trouble just for a tomb?

More: Some of the granite stones in the interior have been moved to expose sides not seen before and they found that they had been ground and surfaced with high speed machinery. Fact. Where did they get this machinery and what did they power it with? Norwegian Steam? I don't think so.

And more: The GP was setup such that once it was sealed it was impossible to enter without destroying its function and that function appears to be as sonic power plant that took advantage of the resonating vibrations of the earth, and Helmholtz resonators (which have been found), focusing all the energy on the King's Chamber. Numerous scientists and explorers have found evidence to back this up. The entire design of the GP seems geared towards this very thing.

Whatever else happened in ancient Egypt and however you explain it away, the Great Pyramid does not fit in that puzzle. Its a true anomaly and a wonder. Too bad the most import parts of it were destroyed. The first people who dug their way into the interior of the GP probably thought they were entering a tomb but once inside they probably said, "Holy sh*t, what is this!?"
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Postby CodeBlack » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:48 pm

Actually the floor is 350 feet long. The first 150 feet is within 0.020 inches of perfect (1 part in 90,000), the entire 350 feet is within 0.250 inches (1 part in 16,800). What, they thought the faithful would be down on the floor with micrometers and lasers? We can't duplicate this. You don't achieve accuracy by accident. Limestone in the GP was cut to 0.010 inch tolerances. Again, why?

When you hear what the GP was built for then you'll know why.
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Postby MrTopSecret » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:06 pm

You sure do know your stuff on this codeblack. This is probably a dum question, but is that skull real? And if so, would you mine giving me a link? ;)
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