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Postby jwebb » Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:49 am

This was posted in Feb, but is the same thing they are talking about now. They are not translating everything for some reason, pretty important stuff, but for the most part is accurate. This is from a news channel in Iran and it is about what Iran is thinking and what is going on in their news. They are saying that they are going to be the 9th nation to be nuclear. Ahmadinejad clearly tries to show that he is peaceful (which he is not) but he just announced 2 days ago that Iran will become nuclear no matter what the rest of the world thinks and that Iran will not be taken over like Iraq. By the way he is winning the election which is fake and set already of course, he will be president for another 4 years.

If you guys don't mind reading translation it is an interesting conversation.

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Postby pandasex » Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:32 am

yes, i knew Iran was going to anyways. I am not worried at all about Iran.....I am worried about North Korea. With the pressure that was put onto Iran during the Iraq conflict, I would be worried about my countries safety as well. I have to disagree with you on who will win Iran's election this year. I believe Mir Hossein Mousavi will win and he is the best person for the job. I know he will make good on his word with working with the United States. In the case Ahmadinejad stays in......well that would be very disappointing and bad for everyone :(
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Postby greeney2 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:39 am

Going to get ugly, Isreal will never stand for Iran having nukes, and the USA will be drawn into the problem directly. We already are! If NK and Iran keep firing missles they way they have, they may be crusin for a brusin. I sincerly hope both can be talked too at some point, but niether is, and both are adding provocative agressive acts, in the process. NK is being run by an old nutcase who had a stroke, so you don't even know his mental capacity. Ahmadinejad just seems as unstable when he declares "Isreal should be wiped off he map", and than sponsers a Holacaust Convention to proove it never happened.
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Postby Dark-Samus » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:40 am

Atleast they haven´t dropped a bomb on a country like you guys did :roll:
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Postby pandasex » Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:51 am

please do not lump an entire country of people together because of their leader. I think America of all places should know how that feels. I dont think Iran is going to use any capablities unless serious provoked. What the last administration did by putting Iran in the "axis of evil" is what prompted the call for more defenses. Now I think that America and Iran can make steps forward to being more civil to one another. And when i say take steps i mean our governments. The people of each country are not at any odds at all with one another. Did u even know about Iran before it was put on the "axis of evil" map? No, and if you did u might have known from the 70s. North Korea is doing these things for absolutely no reason at all. Iran was being put on a sh*t list for no aparent reason. You show me the goods on what Iran has done to deserve being provoked by America (before the nuke situation). There is even an international call to sue (not for money) America for the treatment of their country (by mostly European and American scholars) to try and stop the madness, before it turns south. Why is it America and Israel are the only ones alowed to go nucular???
I hate to bring this up but pakistan has a serious security issue with its stockpile and no one seems to worry about them. Why to (anyone willing to answer) is everyone so "concerned" about Iran????
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Postby jwebb » Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:06 am

pandasex wrote:please do not lump an entire country of people together because of their leader.


Wow. Thank you.

pandasex wrote: I dont think Iran is going to use any capablities unless serious provoked.


That only makes sense. There would be no need for them to attack any country if they aren't threatened.

pandasex wrote:Why is it America and Israel are the only ones alowed to go nucular???
Why to (anyone willing to answer) is everyone so "concerned" about Iran????


Because US is allowed to anything they want because they are they US, that is what most Americans think. And nobody should be concerned about Iran, when I was in Iran last year to visit family they talk of the US as being terrorists for invading Iraq, killing thousands of Iraqi citizens. So Iran says US are terrorists, and US says Iran are terrorists and the axis of evil.
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Postby pandasex » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:49 am

i have met and talked to around 300 different friends on my page (you can check if u would like).....and they always say the same thing "everyone in the west thinks we are terrorist??? why??" Its so sad because it seems alot of young people in Iran like American things they just dont understand how every view of their country got so messed up. Dont get me wrong i have met a few older people there who seem "wary" of Americans and befriending any but I have noticed they tend to be in their 40s and 50s. But for the most part my younger friends are just very curious and wanting to live their lives just like we do here. There isnt a real difference at all when they want to hang out with their friends and dance hook up have a good time. Its real easy to just drop a bomb when u dont know anything about the people you could possibly be killing. Its a whole other thing when u realize they want the same things we all want. To live and be happy. I hope someday i can meet my friends :D

I have had complete strangers invite me to stay with their families and translate for me.....such welcome. Do your research about a country before you speak poorly. That goes for any place and people.
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Postby greeney2 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:03 pm

Panda, you are very much misinformed about the danger of Iran as a country and their acts of terroism, adn supported all the major terrorist groups. The United States has no problem with the people of Iran, and as you know the USA has many many citizens from Iran and other middle eastern counties welcome here. They came to the USA to live in freedom and escape the oppression of Iran. However, your idea of them being justified in any way by the Bush Administration is incorrect. They have been sanctioned by the USA since Jimmy Carter. Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2 all had strict policies against Iran. Obama was a fool to have approched them directly, as it backfired completly. It is not the USA who is engaging in provocative acts when Iran issues threats, ultimatums, and shoots missles twards other countries. They have been nothing but hostile to Isreal, supporting every radical group. I think you need to read up the reality of what Iran could do to this world if allowed to have nukes.



Mission for the Establishment of Human Rights in Iran
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Iranian Support of Terrorism
Since the establishment of the Islamic Republic in 1979, Iran views terrorism as a legitimate means to further its ideological and strategic aims -
Exporting the Revolution
Assisting Islamic groups and organizations worldwide, especially in the Middle East
Attacking Israel and attempting to sabotage the political process
Destabilizing the regimes of the more pragmatic Arab countries
Eliminating the Iranian regime’s opposition.



RETURN TO TERROR INDEX

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Iranian Terror Against Israel
Iranian Assistance To Palestinian Terror Organizations
Assistance to Hizballah
Elimination Of Opposition Activists
The Rushdie Affair
Terror against Western Targets

Khomeini bequeathed to his successors the support for the armed struggle of the “Fighting Muslims”. Since his death Iran has expanded and improved the terror option. Although the claim is heard frequently in the West, that only the Iranian radicals support terrorism, the reality has proved otherwise. The radicals in recent years have been ousted from the centers of power, whereas both the Iranian spiritual leader, Khamena’i, and President Rafsanjani were in all probability, directly involved in ordering the execution of terrorist attacks. Moreover, there are several Iranian agencies involved (directly or indirectly) in terrorism abroad: the Ministry of Intelligence, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Guardians of the Revolution. Various other Iranian organizations, cultural centers and mosques serve as an infrastructure for the recruitment of local militants and as a cover for terrorist activity.

In spite of its undercover nature, Iran’s worldwide involvement in international terrorism cannot always be concealed. Occasionally, events come to light that are proof of Iranian government's involvement in terrorist activities. For instance, the March 1996 discovery, in Belgium, of a specially-built Howitzer canon sent by ship from Iran to Germany to be used in a terrorist attack; or the involvement of the highest Iranian officials in the assassination of Kurdish leaders in Germany, the so-called “Mikonos Affair”.

The Islamic regime’s determination to continue supporting terrorism, in conflict with normal international behavior, has forced the Iranian Foreign Ministry to strive, under extreme international pressure, to offset the damage caused by this policy to Tehran’s economic and political ties. Iran does not deny its adherence to Khomeini’s "Islamic revolutionary ideology”, which supports all radical Islamic movements worldwide, but stresses that Iranian assistance is merely cultural, moral and humanitarian in nature. Tehran strongly denies any military and/or financial assistance to these movements. It must be emphasized that such denial is deeply imbedded in the Shi’ite tradition, in the principle of the “taqiyya” (concealing the faith) which was used as a means of protection against the persecutors of the Shi’ite religion.



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Iranian Terror Against Israel

Since the “Madrid Conference” in October 1991, Iran has been active in attempting to disrupt the peace process in the Middle East, which threatens to increase Iran's political isolation in the region, to limit its influence and interests in Lebanon. This opposition lead Iran to strengthen its ties with those Palestinian organizations that oppose the peace process, such as The Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), Hamas and the various “Fronts”. Iran hoped that terrorist attacks carried out by the Palestinian organizations, together with those perpetrated by Hizballah, would hamper the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations and undermine Yasser Arafat’s position. This goal concurs with the basic Iranian hostility towards Israel that originates from the regime’s Islamic religious ideology. Iran refuses to recognize Israel’s existence, and refers to Israel as “the occupation regime of al Quds”, and constantly calls for the destruction of Israel.

Iran does not conceal its ties with the Palestinian organizations that oppose the political process, Hamas, the PIJ and Ahmad Jibril’s PFLP-GC. Furthermore, these organizations make public their connections and cooperation with Iran. Most of the Palestinian organizations that oppose the peace process participated in the “Conferences for the Support of the Uprising” organized by Tehran (4-6 December 1990; 19-22 October 1991).

During these highly publicized conferences, the leaders of the Palestinian organizations met with the top political echelons in Iran. A special committee headed by the Iranian Vice President in charge of Parliamentary and Legal Affairs, Attalla Maharjani was formed as a result of Tehran's decision to provide the “Palestinian uprising” with financial, military, political and humanitarian. An Iranian “Fund for the Martyrs” gives financial and humanitarian assistance to the Palestinians, in support of the “Jihad”. Within the framework of Iran’s efforts to instill its hostility towards Israel into the rest of the Muslim world, Khomeini declared the last Friday of the month of Ramadan as “al-Quds Day”, to mark the Muslims’ aspirations to liberate Jerusalem.

In February 1996 at a meeting in Damascus with the leaders of the ten Palestinian opposition organizations, Iran’s Vice President, Habibi stressed the need to coordinate the struggle against Israel. Iran also justified the terrorist suicide bombings in Jerusalem and Ashkelon (25 February 1996) and described them as the answer to Israel’s “inhumane” policy towards the Palestinians.



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Iranian Assistance To Palestinian Terror Organizations

The Palestinian Islamic Jihad

The Palestinian organization most loyal to the Iranian revolutionary ideology is the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. In spite of it being a Sunni organization, the Iranian revolution sees in it an example to be followed. After the deportation of its leader, Fathi Shqaqi, from the Gaza Strip, the ties between Iran and the organization have been strengthened, particularly in the field of Iranian military assistance. Instructors of the Guardians of the Revolution give regular military instruction courses to the organization's activists from the Territories and abroad, as well as in the Hizballah camps in Lebanon and Iran. Iran also provides the organization’s activists with logistic support, including Iranian identitificatio papers.

As an example, a militant by the name of Khaled Zaqarna of Jenin, was given extensive military training in January 1995 at the Hizballah camp in the Baka’a Valley, as well as at the Guardians of the Revolution’s camp in Ba'albek, Lebanon. There he underwent advanced training in light weapons, the handling of mines and Lau anti-tank rockets. He was then infiltrated into the Territories to establish an extensive network in support of suicide bombings.

Iran also aided The PIJ in laying the groundwork for terrorist attacks abroad. At the beginning of 1996, the organization’s representative in Iran visited Turkey to prepare for the training in Iran of several of the organization’s activists. These activists were due to infiltrate back into Israel in order to carry out terrorist attacks. The Turkish security authorities arrested some of the PIJ militants and one of them, Khalil 'Atta, was arrested in Israel. 'Atta was one of nine PIJ militants who underwent training in Iran in the period of July - September 1995.

The Hamas

Since 1992, Iran has drawn closer to Hamas, which it perceives as the leading Islamic movement in the Territories. At the foundation of their relationship lies their common interest in the disruption of the political process, and their efforts to undermine the PLO. These common goals transcend the ideological variance between them due to religious differences between the Sunni Hamas and the Shi’ite Iran. These ties are manifest themselves in frequent high-level meetings between the two sides, and the relative importance of the Hamas representative in Tehran. For example, a Hamas delegation headed by two top activists, 'Imad 'Alami (Chairman of the Internal Committee) and Mustafa Qanu' (the representative in Syria) visited Iran in October 1995 and met with high ranking Iranian officials.

In addition to political ties, Iran also provides Hamas with military assistance. The movement’s activists train on a regular basis at the camps of Hizballah and the Guardians of the Revolution in Lebanon, as well as in Iran. This includes training for suicide attacks. Several Iranian-trained militants succeeded in infiltrating back into the Territories under Palestinian Authority control. Israel has arrested Hamas activists who admitted that they were trained by Iranian instructors in the Beka’a Valley, in Lebanon, and in Iran. The training included the use of light weapons, photography and sabotage.

Iran also gives Hamas financial assistance. In 1992, several million dollars were transferred to Hamas’ account, including money originating from the Iranian “Fund for the Martyrs”, which grants assistance to victims of the “Palestinian Uprising”.



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Assistance to Hizballah

The Hizballah organization is the spearhead for Iran in its use of terrorism in general, and in its fight against Israel in particular. The organization began its large-scale terror acts in 1982, when its militants blew up the American Embassy in Beirut, killing 61 people and wounding more than 120. Later, it was behind a series of terror attacks against Western targets, among them: the suicide bombing of the Marines Headquarters in Beirut (23 October 1983) and the French Military Headquarters in Beirut, in which 241 Americans and 56 French soldiers were killed. In the 1980s, Hizballah activists were involved in the kidnapping of Western citizens in Lebanon whom they held as hostages. In some cases, this was done on Iranian orders, for the purpose of obtaining economic or political concessions from Western governments, such as the release of Iranian or Lebanese terrorists imprisoned in Western Europe.

Financial Assistance

Iran provides financial assistance on a large scale to Hizballah, reaching, according to some estimates, millions of dollars a year. It also gives tactical assistance in terror attacks against Israel, through the Guardians of the Revolution units posted in the Baka’a Valley. The Hizballah General Secretary, Hassan Nasrallah, made public Iranian support in an interview given to al-Wast (11 March 1996), where he stated that his organization receives financial and political assistance to continue, in his words, "the legitimate struggle against Israel".

Weapons and Ammunition

Iran has been Hizballah's main weapons supplier since its establishment. Iranian assistance includes a wide range of weapons and ammunition, such as mortars, Sagger anti-tank rockets, mines, explosives and small arms. As far as is known, the largest arms consignment sent by Iran to Lebanon was in February/March 1992 in the wake of the incidents between Israel and the Hizballah. Since then, there have been no significant arms consignments dispatched by air, probably due to Syrian objection. However, six trucks carrying arms from Iran to Lebanon, were apprehended in Turkey in mid- January 1996. Thus it can be assumed that Iran is now making extensive use of the land route to transfer arms to Hizballah.

Training

Iranian assistance to Hizballah in this field is mostly advice and supervision of the Hizballah's training program, since the basic instruction is carried out by the organization’s militants themselves. The Guardians of the Revolution (more explicitly the training arm of the al-Quds Forces) provides higher level training in Iran mainly at the al-Quds Force training base “Imam Ali” in northern Tehran). These include courses for officers, company commanders, commandos, and courses in communications and powered-gliders.



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Elimination Of Opposition Activists

Since the Islamic regime came to power in 1979, it has consistently acted to eliminate Iranian opposition activists outside the country and has invested considerable intelligence efforts in surveillance and tracking-down of anyone conceived as a threat to the regime. Examples of this activity became glaringly obvious in the wake of the following trials in which Iran was implicated:

The liquidation of Iran's former Prime Minister, Shahpur Bakhtiar, the leader of one of the main Iranian opposition groups (6 Aug. 91) in France. The investigation of this incident led to the arrest of three Iranians (including a diplomat), who probably belonged to the Iranian Intelligence Ministry. The trial exposed the involvement of various Iranian agencies (the Ministry of Communication, Diplomatic representatives, commercial companies, “Iran Air”) - all of which assisted in the liquidation. One of the accused was sentenced to life imprisonment, another was given a 10-year prison sentence, and the diplomat was acquitted owing to lack of evidence and returned to Iran.
The liquidation of high ranking activists belonging to the Iranian Democratic Kurdish Party (17 Sept. 92) at the Mikonos restaurant in Berlin. This operation was carried out by a squad composed of Hizballah and Iranian intelligence operatives, headed by a member of the Islamic Students Association in Germany Khatem Dara'abi, who apparently was employed by the Iranian Intelligence Ministry as the liaison between the Iranian Consulate in Berlin and the hit team. Dara'abi and four other Shi’ite activists were arrested by the German police. German security officials stressed the involvement of Iranian Intelligence and the Guards of the Islamic Revolution in the affair.
The German Federal Prosecution issued a warrant for the arrest of the Minister of Iranian Intelligence, Falakhian, who is accused of ordering the liquidation of the opposition members.
Since Rasfanjani's rise to power in 1989, scores of Iranian opposition members have been liquidated worldwide, among them:

Abdol Rahman Qassemlo, General Secretary of the Kurdish Democratic Party of Iran (13 July 89);
Kazen Rahavi (in Switzerland, 24 April 90);
Muhammad Hussein Naghdi, the representative of the National Opposition Council in Italy (the umbrella organization of the Iranian regime’s Opposition) (16 March 93).
In 1996 the Iranian regime continued to act against the opposition worldwide, particularly against their main centers in Iraq and Turkey. One example is the assassination (on 20 February, 96) in Istanbul of two activists from Mujahedin-e Khalq by Iranian intelligence agents and the assassination of another Mujahedin-e Khalq activist in Baghdad (7 March 96). There has been a rise in the volume of Iranian efforts to increase intelligence capabilities in the Kurdish district in Iraq, in order to direct subversive activity, inter alia, against opposition targets there.
As a rule, Iran, in an effort to improve its relations with the West and to appear in a more positive light, refrains from carrying out terror attacks in Western Europe. However, should an occasion present itself, Iran does not hesitate to rise to the occasion - mostly through deniable emissaries, to prevent the attacks being traced directly to their source. For proof one need look no farther than the specially built Howitzer mortar intercepted on an Iranian vessel on its way from Iran to Antwerp port (14 March ’96). This mortar, addressed to a shop with Iranian intelligence connections in Germany, and ready for activation, was probably intended for a future terror attack against Iranian opposition members or Israeli/Jewish targets in Europe.



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The Rushdie Affair

Within the framework of Iranian terror, it is worth mentioning the obsessive and unrelenting pursuit and incitement campaign which Iran is conducting against the writer Salman Rushdie (author of “The Satanic Verses”), whom they perceive to be the symbol of the degradation of Islamic values. Khomeini’s "fatwa" or religious ruling (February 89) permits the shedding of his blood and calls for his liquidation, and also of anyone who knowingly helped to publish his novel. The Iranians are continuing to persecute Rushdie in spite of the strong criticism voiced by the West against them, which continues to overshadow the improvement in relations between the West and Iran. The Iranians have placed a large reward on Rushdie’s head and their intelligence apparatus has spared no efforts in trying to locate him, as well as trying to prevent the distribution of his book by eliminating publishers and translators. On 11 July 93, the Japanese scholar, Hitushi Igarashi, who translated the book into Japanese, was murdered. And in Norway William Nygaard, the local publisher of “The Satanic Verses”, was badly injured in an assassination attempt (11 Oct.93). In spite of Iranian pragmatic officials’ efforts to find a solution to the “Rushdie Affair” by giving him a written commitment that he would not be harmed, the religious establishment insists on adhering to Khomeini's ruling and refuses any compromise.

Ayatollah Hassan Sanei offered $2 million for Salman Rushdie's head, and extended the threat of murder to include all supporters of Rushdie, meaning the rushdie support committees in the West. These groups became increasingly vocal around the February 14 anniversary of the fatwah. One of the latest authoritative pronouncements on the Rushdie affair was that of Mohammad Yazdi, the head of Iran's judiciary, who said (April 1996), "[the fatwah] will finally be carried out someday". Two days later, the Majlis speaker, Ali Akbar Nouri, reaffirmed his support for the fatwa, saying that he "regretted that Rushdie is still alive".



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[b]Terror against Western Targets

During the 1980s, Iranian and pro-Iranian agencies were involved in the planning and execution of attacks against Western targets, particularly in Lebanon. In the context of opposition to Western Influence, the Islamic Jihad and Hizballah, under instructions from Iran, carried out a series of attacks against Western representatives. Among them:

The suicide bombing of the American embassy in Beirut (18 April. 83), which killed 61 people and left more than 120 wounded.
The suicide bombing of the Marines headquarters in Beirut (23 Oct.83), which killed 39 and wounded 40 people.
The suicide bombing of the French army barracks in Beirut (23 Oct. 83), which killed 74 and wounded about 15.
During the latter half of the 1980s, the Iranians directed the handling of the Western hostages, including the negotiations for their release, via special emissaries. These emissaries acted as mediators between the various Lebanese groups holding the hostages (such as Ahmad Mughniyya) and the Iranian government, which conducted the negotiations. Iranian bartered the release of citizens of Western countries being held in Lebanon in return for the release of Iranian or Lebanese activists arrested for involvement in terrorist activity in Western Europe. Since the release of the last Western hostage (mid 92), Iran and its emissaries have avoided carrying out terror attacks on Western targets. It is also possible that Iran was behind the attempt to disrupt the “Madrid Conference” on the peace process between Israel and its Arab neighbors (Oct. 91) by executing several terror attacks during the Conference against the citizens and interests of the countries taking part in the Conference. Among these:
28 October, 91 An explosive device blew up the car of an American sergeant in Turkey. The Turkish Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
29 October, 91 A rocket was fired at the American Embassy in Beirut and caused slight damage. A front organization calling itself "The Revolutionary Arab Forces" claimed responsibility for the attack in protest against the Peace Process.
30 October, 91 A rocket was fired at the Spanish Consulate in Zidon. There were no casualties.
17 March, 92 A car bomb was discovered next to the American Consulate in Istanbul.
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Postby pandasex » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:29 pm

the people of Iran have to live with the control of the Eslam in their government.....Gays are hung there. I understand the situation with human rights issues in which Iran is in right now. The Islamic Revolution has proven to have given too much control to only certain peoples of Iran and not "the people". But we should not give up on them because of this.

As for Palestine and Hezbollah I cannot talk about these things anymore in fear of my government. But you dont want to hear my views. What i will say is that I feel the American people have been misled on what is really going on and I feel Israel is being inhumane to Palestine.

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Postby jwebb » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:34 pm

greeney2 wrote:Panda, you are very much misinformed about the danger of Iran as a country and their acts of terroism, adn supported all the major terrorist groups. The United States has no problem with the people of Iran, and as you know the USA has many many citizens from Iran and other middle eastern counties welcome here. They came to the USA to live in freedom and escape the oppression of Iran. However, your idea of them being justified in any way by the Bush Administration is incorrect. They have been sanctioned by the USA since Jimmy Carter. Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, and Bush 2 all had strict policies against Iran. Obama was a fool to have approched them directly, as it backfired completly. It is not the USA who is engaging in provocative acts when Iran issues threats, ultimatums, and shoots missles twards other countries. They have been nothing but hostile to Israel, supporting every radical group. I think you need to read up the reality of what Iran could do to this world if allowed to have nukes.


Threats, how many threats have the USA made in the past couple of years? the USA went into a country and killed thousands of people and eliminated the president of that country, that can be seen as terrorism, Americans are terrorists i guess.

I dont know what ultimatums means but, to missiles, has US ever used missiles? yes, they have, US must be terrorists agian.

Being hostile to other countries, has US been hostile to other countries?? Oh hell yah they have, lol, US is terrorist again.

And let Iran have nukes? Lol Iran will get whatever the hell they want to get without permission of the US.

So what it comes down to is either a country is fighting for what they believe in or they are protecting themselves, the US doesnt the same damn thing. Iran doesnt say, "oh lets blow up Pakistan for shits and giggles, it will be soo funny!" That doesnt happen.. Greeney, you have your research, and you have your morals, but your research is incorrect and your morals are horrible.
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