The Black Vault

pandasex wrote:He is a hop skip and Bushism away from a heart attack.

Questioner101 wrote:Chain-gangy...and Rummy were the puppet-masters who convinced "Oil-man" Bush to attack Iraq, for the stupid reason Bush's father couldn't march to Baghdad. Where's the oil?
Where's the "democratic" country of Iraq? It's still a theocracy, and still bombs soldiers off the map, daily. Haliburton has made a small fortune on armaments. Tricky Dicky is laughing all the way to the bank....

Question is, why isn't it Bush out there speaking after Obama?? (Could it be because he's totally inarticulate??) Dick is trying to keep from going to court on war crimes, by diverting the lens away from "it wasn't bad torture...it was useful...it gleaned tons of information...."
Really?? And where is Osama Ben Laden these days? Wait, he didn't hole up in Iraq....never mind.

Bush Jr isn't speaking simply because his Father Bush Sr has probably told him to keep quiet, after all Bush Sr and his gang have been running things ever since Nov of 63.

The picture is the inturpetation is not clear cut, as to what is, and is not considered torture legally.

"Torture, the general name for innumerable modes of inflicting pain, and especially for those employed as an incident of judicial process. From this point of view torture was alaways inflicted as a means of eliciting evidence from a witness or from an accused person either before or after condemnation: or as a part of the punishment. The second was the earlier use."

From the U.S. Code Online via GPO Access
[wais.access.gpo.gov]
[Laws in effect as of January 2, 2001]
[Document not affected by Public Laws enacted between
January 2, 2001 and January 28, 2002]
[CITE: 18USC2340]


TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 113C--TORTURE

Sec. 2340. Definitions

As used in this chapter--
(1) ``torture'' means an act committed by a person acting under
the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or
mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to
lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical
control;
(2) ``severe mental pain or suffering'' means the prolonged
mental harm caused by or resulting from--
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of
severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened
administration or application, of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be
subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the
administration or application of mind-altering substances or
other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or
personality; and

(3) ``United States'' includes all areas under the jurisdiction
of the United States including any of the places described in
sections 5 and 7 of this title and section 46501(2) of title 49.

(Added Pub. L. 103-236, title V, Sec. 506(a), Apr. 30, 1994, 108 Stat.
463; amended Pub. L. 103-415, Sec. 1(k), Oct. 25, 1994, 108 Stat. 4301;
Pub. L. 103-429, Sec. 2(2), Oct. 31, 1994, 108 Stat. 4377.)


Amendments

1994--Par. (1). Pub. L. 103-415 substituted ``within his custody''
for ``with custody''.
Par. (3). Pub. L. 103-429 substituted ``section 46501(2) of title
49'' for ``section 101(38) of the Federal Aviation Act of 1958 (49
U.S.C. App. 1301(38))''.


Effective Date

Section 506(c) of Pub. L. 103-236 provided that: ``The amendments
made by this section [enacting this chapter] shall take effect on the
later of--
``(1) the date of enactment of this Act [Apr. 30, 1994]; or
``(2) the date on which the United States has become a party to
the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading
Treatment or Punishment.'' [Convention entered into Force with
respect to United States Nov. 20, 1994, Treaty Doc. 100-20.]

Section Referred to in Other Sections

This section is referred to in section 114 of this title.

"1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

(b) Taking of hostages;

(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;

(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. "

TITLE 18--CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE

PART I--CRIMES

CHAPTER 113C--TORTURE

Sec. 2340A. Torture

(a) Offense.--Whoever outside the United States commits or attempts
to commit torture shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more
than 20 years, or both, and if death results to any person from conduct
prohibited by this subsection, shall be punished by death or imprisoned
for any term of years or for life. (b) Jurisdiction.--There is jurisdiction over the activity
prohibited in subsection (a) if--
(1) the alleged offender is a national of the United States; or
(2) the alleged offender is present in the United States,
irrespective of the nationality of the victim or alleged offender.

(Added Pub. L. 103-236, title V, Sec. 506(a), Apr. 30, 1994, 108 Stat.
463; amended Pub. L. 103-322, title VI, Sec. 60020, Sept. 13, 1994, 108
Stat. 1979.)


Amendments

1994--Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 103-322 inserted ``punished by death or''
before ``imprisoned for any term of years or for life''.

Section Referred to in Other Sections

This section is referred to in sections 2332b, 2339A, 3286 of this
title.

greeney2 wrote:

Bush Jr isn't speaking simply because his Father Bush Sr has probably told him to keep quiet, after all Bush Sr and his gang have been running things ever since Nov of 63.

Even Computer guys puff of smoke theory made more sence than this.

Clemard Joseph Charles was recruited by the CIA in 1963, the same year the agency was sponsoring and paying exile and rebel groups to try to overthrow Papa Doc. We know Charles was recruited by the CIA then because of the findings in the late 1970s of the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

The committee was investigating the assassination of John F. Kennedy and tracking a man named George DeMohrenschildt, a White Russian count with extensive ties to the CIA. DeMohrenschildt had moved to Texas, worked in the oil business and befriended Lee Harvey Oswald. In fact, there is some evidence that DeMohrenschildt was used by the CIA to keep an eye on Oswald. DeMohrenschildt had met Charles in Haiti, where he had business interests, including a share in the government sisal hemp operation. DeMohrenschildt was also keeping an eye on Clint Murchison's meat-packing business and cattle ranches there. At one time he had worked for Three States Oil and Gas, one of Murchison's oil companies.

DeMohrenschildt was also on close, friendly terms with Houston oilman John Mecom, Sr., according to a Houston private eye familiar with the Russian count. And the count and George Bush apparently knew each other. Bush's name and his Midland, Texas, address were in DeMohrenschildt's address book.

One CIA contract agent, Herbert Atkin, has reported that DeMohrenschildt's real job in Haiti in 1963 was to supervise a CIA-sponsored plan to overthrow Duvalier.

In May 1963, DeMohrenschildt arranged a meeting between Clemard Charles and Dorothy Matlack, who was Assistant Director of the Army Office of Intelligence, the U.S. Army's liaison with the CIA. According to DeMohrenschildt's CIA files, which the assassination committee obtained, the purpose of the meeting with Matlack was to arrange a rendezvous between Charles and a CIA representative. DeMohrenschildt attended the meeting with the CIA, to Matlack's surprise. "She did not know what role DeMohrenschildt was serving, but felt he 'dominated' Charles in some way," reads the committee's CIA memo, which then reported that Matlack stated, "I knew the Texan [DeMohrenschildt] wasn't there to sell hemp."

Finally, the kicker in the CIA memo: "Because of the potential political information Charles could give about the current situation in Haiti, the CIA became the primary contact with Charles."

That puts Charles's ability to obtain two aircraft from the United States in 1964 during an embargo and his subsequent 1967 jailing by Duvalier in a whole new light. For it was in 1967 that Mitch WerBell, along with some Haitians and Cuban exiles, were caught planning an invasion of Haiti from Florida.

WerBell was a veteran of the OSS office in China during World War II along with E. Howard Hunt, Paul Helliwell and John Singlaub. He told author Jonathan Kwitny that he did not work "for" the CIA, but "with" the CIA. He said the distinction was that he got paid by private groups and not by the CIA.

_Billy_ wrote:In other words Jaackass you think we should choose a king and do away with elections. This country voted for Obama, the majority, but you don't agree with the process. If anyone was unqualified it was Bush, what a dumbass.