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Postby esecallum » Fri Aug 01, 2014 1:44 pm

A simple and elegant solution to Palestinian Homeland problem is for them to get some old battered pickup trucks drive across the borders and appropriate some empty and unoccupied land from Syria ,Iraq and Saudia Arabia and declaring a New State of Palestine.

I am sure the Arabs won't mind as they have so much EMPTY and UNOCCUPIED land.

Finally their muslim brothers using some initiative and getting some place to stay at last.

After all ISIS did this in only a few days taking vast amounts of territory from Syria and Iraq and creating a caliphate.

Why can't the Palestinians do the same?

Just look at a map.Vast amounts of unoccupied land.
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Postby greeney2 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 3:44 pm

That is not the land they want is it?
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Postby esecallum » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:28 am

greeney2 wrote:That is not the land they want is it?


No but losers can't be choosers.

Also it is about time they started innovative thinking instead of being stuck in a rut.

dirt is dirt.

All that land in Sinai peninsula and Arab lands is beggin to be taken.

Isis took it in a few days but the 1/2 witted Palestinians cannot learn anything new and have been terrorized by Hamas for 10 years.No elections no freedom.Ham are just gangs of thugs and criminals.Anyone who they don't like gets accused of being a collaborator of Isreal and killed.They use torture to get fake confessions.They are just thugs with guns.They steal money to build 500 tunnels into Isreal to spread terror.500 tunnels cost a billion.
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Postby greeney2 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:51 am

So your answer is to banish the innocent to some place in the desert uninhabitable? Sounds a little like the KKK who say send all the Black people back to Africa. Doesn't sound so great does it? Are the black people losers that can be choosers either, should they be banished from the land?
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Postby frrostedman » Sun Aug 03, 2014 11:52 pm

While I don't exactly agree that all Palestinians should be banished and sent to a desert wasteland... I do recognize that the Palestinian people brought all this upon themselves when they elected Hamas as their leadership in a landslide vote. The people of Palestine willfully chose the least peaceful way forward. Since you brought up the KKK, lets do another comparison. What the Palestinian people did is about the same as the American people voting in a KKK Grand Wizard as our President. The nightmare that would follow in that scenario should rightfully be blamed on the KKK but, we the people empowered them and we should also accept a lot of the blame for it.
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Postby esecallum » Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:07 pm

greeney2 wrote:So your answer is to banish the innocent to some place in the desert uninhabitable? Sounds a little like the KKK who say send all the Black people back to Africa. Doesn't sound so great does it? Are the black people losers that can be choosers either, should they be banished from the land?


why do you twist my words? eh? i never said banish.i said Isis took land from syria/iraq ...why can't the Palestine people.Can you not remember a post?

report by Human Rights Watch (HRW), that Hamas is perpetrating gross human rights abuses against its own Palestinian people.

Joe Stork, Deputy Middle East Director for the New York-based HRW, charged this week that, “After five years of Hamas rule in Gaza, its criminal justice system reeks of injustice, routinely violates detainees’ rights, and grants impunity to abusive security services.”

According to Saudi-based Arab News, an HRW report titled “Abusive System: Criminal Justice in Gaza” alleged that Hamas security services failed to inform relatives of the whereabouts of detainees, and had arrested and abused lawyers. Stork added that “Hamas should stop the kind of abuses that Egyptians and Syrians and others in the region have risked their lives to bring to an end.”

Stork is right about Hamas’s abuse of its Gaza residents and is somewhat correct about Egyptians and Syrians risking their lives to bring an end to the arbitrary justice meted out by these authoritarian regimes. Regretfully, the Islamists have managed to hijack both revolutions, and it is apparent that Hamas’s Islamist “justice” will serves as a model for the future of criminal justice under the “revolutionary” Islamist regimes in Egypt and Syria. The Islamic Republic of Iran – a key supporter of (Sunni-Muslim) Hamas — is another example of Islamist justice (of the Shia variety) where torture, rape, and murder of detainees are commonplace.

The HRW report calls on the Hamas regime in Gaza to institute urgent reforms, and a moratorium on the death penalty. One category of people upon whom the death penalty is imposed is alleged “collaborators with Israel.” This distinction has become a convenient way in which to settle any criminal scores, and on many occasions is meted out without a shred of evidence.

The HRW report cited the case of Abdel Karim Shrair, who, according to family members and lawyers, was tortured under interrogation before being executed by a firing squad in May 2011, after confessing to collaborating with Israel.

The Guardian reported on October 3, 2012 that the European Union condemned the death sentences that were handed down last month to two men in Gaza, one for murder and the second for alleged collaboration with Israel. Martin Barillas, a former US diplomat, a democracy advocate, as well as the editor of Spero News, reported on December 8, 2010 that a military tribunal composed of Hamas members convicted three men of alleged collaboration with Israel. One of them received the death penalty.

According to a Palestinian Authority (PA) law, the president of the PA must approve all execution orders before they can be carried out, yet Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas was not consulted since Hamas does not recognize the legitimacy of his presidency. And, earlier in April of 2010, Hamas subjected two men to capital punishment on charges of collaboration with Israel. In 2008, during Israel’s Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, at least eight people were murdered by Hamas for allegedly helping Israel fight terrorism by providing information on local terrorist groups. In September 2011, Hamas cracked down on collaborators with Israel, detaining residents of the Gaza Strip, including two physicians, an engineer, and members of Hamas itself. Hamas refused to identify those who were arrested.

Martin Barillas reported that the “Hamas campaign has created fear and suspicion.” According to local media, a resident confided that the Islamist campaign has had a really bad impact on society. People no longer trust each other. He said, “We don’t talk openly with each other.” And HRW charged that Hamas has killed at least 32 alleged informers and political opponents during and after Operation Cast Lead and maimed dozens of others.

The HRW report accused Hamas of failing to investigate alleged cases of torture and abuse, while granting impunity from prosecution to security services officials. The HRW report claims, moreover, that “the intra-Palestinian political rivalry between Hamas and Fatah remains a significant factor behind many of Hamas’ abuses against detainees in Gaza.” The report goes on to say that the “Fatah dominated Palestinian Authority in the West Bank also arrests and detains Palestinians arbitrarily, including Hamas members or sympathizers, and similarly subjects detainees to torture and abuse.”

Hamas has been trying very, very hard to kill lots and lots of civilians. They're just not very good at it but something will get through eventually. A better analogy is if that schoolyard bully keeps shooting at your house with a 22, but so far you've stayed away from the windows and your dog has kept him out of the yard. It's still not a way to live and you are under no obligation to endure it for more than... I don't know, five years? And then yes, you are completely welcome to go burn the guy's house down. Knock on the door, politely ask his parents to leave, text them, call them, leave a note, and then fire a warning shot. But yes, you can burn his house down and kill him. Because he has been trying extremely hard to kill you.
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