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Postby magonia17 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:21 pm

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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:15 am

This is a decent video only it leaves out some very large dots, one being the security company in charge of the airport directly responsible for air traffic control within that region. The importance of that fact cannot be overlooked.
Another is the fact that those who actually work in intel are saying bomb on board, not missile of any kind....surface to air or air to air.

Anyway the BRICS thing is ( I believe ) central to understanding what is really going on. They are a few others but the possibility of damage to the dollar must carry the most weight.

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Postby katsung47 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:49 pm

846. The divert flight path (7/28/2014)

Evidence shows that MH17 was arranged from its original flight path over to a war zone where it was shot down.

MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed “False Flag”

By 21st Century Wire Global Research, July 25, 2014

MH17: A Doomed Flight Path

A Malaysian Airlines spokesman has already confirmed that, for some unknown reason, Kiev-based Ukrainian Air Traffic Control (ATC) ordered MH17 off of its original flight path along the international air route, known as L980.

Most likely, this order was given to pilots while MH17 was still in Polish air space. L980 is one of the most popular and most congested air routes in the world, as well as a key link between major international hubs in Europe, like London Heathrow, Amsterdam Schiphol, and Frankfurt, and Asian destinations, like Singapore, Mumbai, Hong Kong and Kuala Lumpur.

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As MH17 moved into Ukrainian air space, it was moved approximately 300 miles north of its usual route - putting it on a new course, flying directly over a war zone – a dangerous area that’s hosted a number of downed military craft over the previous 3 weeks.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-verdi ... ag/5393317


Puppet Ukraine censored the air traffic control recordings.

Kiev Censors MH17 Air Traffic Control Recordings
Security services confiscated tapes immediately after incident
by Paul Joseph Watson | July 22, 2014

Why has Kiev failed to release recordings from air traffic control tapes which could prove what happened to Malaysia Airlines Flight 17? Ukrainian security services confiscated the tapes immediately after the incident

http://www.infowars.com/kiev-censors-mh ... ecordings/


The case is similar to the shooting down case of “KAL 007” 30 years ago. I talked about it at” 834. Small countries became sacrifice in US plots (5/23/2014)”

In 1983, a South Korea passenger airplane KAL 007 was shot down in Russia.

A few years ago, after former Soviet Union had collapsed, I came across with an analysis of that incident. The article said the Korean pilots couldn’t make such a big mistake to diverge the normal flight path. It alleged it was a plot that Pentagon used it to test air defense of Soviet Union. It was cold war time. I believe so. The original path was mostly over the ocean. The deviation track went over Kamchatka Peninsula. That is a big land. Pilots couldn’t miss it.

1983: Korean Air Lines Flight 007 Shot Down By Soviet Fighter Plane

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http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/21 ... plane.html
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Postby katsung47 » Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:46 pm

7/31/2014 at 09:43:25
First Examination of Malaysian MH-17 Cockpit Photo Shows Ukraine Government Shot that Plane Down

By Eric Zuesse

On July 30th, a German pilot headlined at anderweltonline, "Shocking Analysis of the 'Shooting Down' of Malaysian MH17," and he provided the first public analysis of the photos that were available immediately after the disaster, of the plane's cockpit, and of a wing. Google removed the photos soon after they were first available, but pilot Peter Haisenko had fortunately screen-saved them, and now shows them on that site, after having carefully analyzed and made sense of what they show. He says: "The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes." And they're unmistakable in the accompanying photo. "This aircraft was not hit by a missile" and it was not hit "in the central portion" of the airplane. "The destruction [that explains the way the entire wreckage was spread out] is limited to the cockpit area," as he explains it: "A typical SU 25" (which is the Ukrainian plane, or pair of planes, that accompanied the Malaysian jet into the conflict-area) "is equipped with a double-barreled 30-mm gun, type GSh-302," carrying "a 250 round magazine of anti-tank incendiary shells and splinter-explosive shells (dum-dum)," which are "designed to penetrate the solid armor of a tank" and which ripped to shreds the cockpit-area on both sides of the plane. "The cockpit of the MH017 has evidently been fired at from both sides: the entry and exit holes are found on the same fragment" of the cockpit, so that there had to have been two SU 25s, and not merely one, which were escorting that plane into the rebel-held area.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/First- ... 1-170.html
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Postby katsung47 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:48 pm

848. The crashes of MH17 and MH370 serve for one purpose (8/8/2014)

US has locked two strategy enemies – Russia and China. Both are the threats to the dollar.

The tactic to deal with these two enemies is to weaken them by war.

China has conflicts with its neighbor countries. It has territory problem with Japan in East China Sea and with Vietnam and Philippine in South China Sea. China blames US standing at the side of these three countries. Malaysia has territory problem with China in South China Sea too but it keeps friendship with China. To push Malaysia to join the anti-China front in Asia, MH370 case was created. The mysterious disappearance of the passengers would create a long lasting demanding for the victims from China side because most victims were Chinese citizens. (That is why MH370 case was produced as a mysterious disappearance not an evident crash) Anyhow, China and Malaysia might have realized the plot and haven’t made it a crisis.

The Ukraine crisis started in February when a civil turmoil happened which caused the stepping down of pro-Russia President Yanukovych. The result is there is an upheaval in East Ukraine. Since Russia and Europe both have interest in Ukraine, a war between the two is easy to be ignited. The shooting down of MH17 was created as an ignition. MH17 was well selected – like MH370 – for its passengers. Most of victims in MH17 were Dutch. Holland is a major country of EU and NATO. If Holland is infuriated, the possibility of a covert war between EU and Russia in Ukraine is greatly increased.

I think US is the mastermind of the incidents of MH17 and MH370. The purpose is to push Russia and China into wars with their neighbor countries to weaken them.
See my analysis on MH370: from #822 to #835.
See my analysis on MH17: from #844 to #847.
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Postby katsung47 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:09 pm

850. Plot to frame Russia in shooting down of MH17 failed (8/19/2014)

There is a silence in Western media about the crash of MH17, compare to the noise they made at original hours when MH17 was shot down when the evidence shows there were 30mm bullet holes on fuselage of MH17. The bullet couldn’t reach altitude of 32,000 feet from ground that’s common sense.

First Examination of Malaysian MH-17 Cockpit Photo Shows Ukraine Government Shot that Plane Down

By Eric Zuesse 7/31/2014
On July 30th, a German pilot headlined at anderweltonline, "Shocking Analysis of the 'Shooting Down' of Malaysian MH17," and he provided the first public analysis of the photos that were available immediately after the disaster, of the plane's cockpit, and of a wing.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/First- ... 1-170.html


Be noticed it’s from a Germany pilot. German is one who suffered from Ukraine conflict.
Analysis from Malaysia newspaper.

MH17: Pockmarks look like from very, very heavy machine gun fire, says first OSCE monitor on-scene
By Haris Hussain - 7 August 2014
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The holes in the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 are believed to have come from 30mm cannon fire.

KUALA LUMPUR: INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had had something to do with it.

This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.

http://www.nst.com.my/node/20961
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Postby katsung47 » Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:24 pm

851. Why Malaysia airlines was selected as target (8/23/2014)

In #848, I said Malaysia was targeted because it keeps a friendship with China while China is a covert enemy of the US. In #845, I talked about German had sensed that E.U. was provoked by the US for a covert war with Russia. German is unwilling to follow the US instruction. It expelled the CIA Chief from the German as a protest.

Then a Chinese forum offered an information how Malaysia and German were hurt by heavy insurance loss in the two incidents. The insurance company of Malaysia Airline is a Germany.

1. MH370
German insurance company Allianz says it has made initial payments in connection with the missing Malaysian Airlines plane.

Allianz’s global head of communication Hugo Kidston confirmed Wednesday that the Munich-based insurer and “other co-reinsurers of Malaysia Airlines aviation hull and liability policy have made initial payments.”

http://www.worthytoshare.net/insurance- ... ppearance#


2.. MH17

Malaysia Airlines Girds for New Insurance Battle
By Enda Curran Updated July 18, 2014

German insurer Allianz Global Corporate & Specialty is the lead reinsurer of the Malaysia Airlines plane for its so-calleded hull and liability policy, according to a report from insurance broker Aon PLC, which valued the plane itself at $97.3 million.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/malaysia ... 1405673357


The comment said, “German was shot even it was laying on the ground”.
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Postby katsung47 » Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:02 pm

Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine...
Wednesday, 27 August 2014

A letter sent by a prominent Dutch Professor to Russian president Vladimir Putin has attracted much media attention in Europe. The letter was written by Professor Cees Hamelink and signed by dozens of Dutch intellectuals and professors. Below is the letter in its entirety.

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Dear Mr. President Putin,

Please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in the Netherlands for our Government and our Media. The facts concerning MH17 are twisted to defame you and your country.

We are powerless onlookers, as we witness how the Western Nations, led by the United States, accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves more than anybody else. We reject the double standards that are used for Russia and the West. In our societies, sufficient evidence is required for a conviction. The way you and your Nation are convicted for 'crimes' without evidence, is ruthless and despicable.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/
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