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So How's It Going, The "War On Terror"?

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Postby Nesaie » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:59 pm

blackvault wrote:Doesn't Washington State belong to the United States?? :) No state flag can be flown above the Stars and Stripes for a reason. That isn't made in china... That's an American standard.


I believe WA state did sign on with the feds. And I understand the laws regarding flags and such. However, most American flags are now made overseas, not necessarily China, but certainly not in the States.
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Postby Nesaie » Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:11 pm

greeney2 wrote:
Nesaie wrote:War on terrorism??? What a joke!

It's as good as the "war on cancer, the war on drugs, etc..." JOKE

Ugh..

I was born in Seattle, I belong to WASHINGTON STATE. ;) These flagwaving (made in China) flags "americans" anger me.

JOKE...laughter....


How about the war on drunk driving Nasaie? Doesn't seem to slow down any town drunks Nasaie, but at least they try :lol:

Funny how you curse Boeing, and hate the biggest provider of American jobs in your area.


I may be a drunk Greenie, but I choose not to drive. ;) Ever since what happened in Burma...oh Myramar. Remember?

Yes, I put down Boeing. I hate the way they lay off people whimsically almost. I hate their part in the war machine. And no, I'm not one of the Seattle 99%ers who moved from Chase bank to Boeing CU. I also put down M$, IBM, Chase bank and many other corporations.
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Postby greeney2 » Tue Jul 23, 2013 9:53 am

Nasaie anyone who works for Boeing, or any other aerospace company knows how it works. YOu are either in a touch labor job, in which case you are union, which is a seniority based system. Yes, they lay off when contracts are done, and it is a cold world at times, but they know this is how aerospace works, and the nature of the game. Sometimes people just do not have seniority, so the go through several lay offs. I was lucky for several reasons. First, I was hired and many others were hired after me, so I had many under me in seniority. Secondly, I held many of the programs critical welding certifications no body else had. Unions also have 5 year recall rights, in order of seniority, and they know how that works too. Non-union is a different story, they are not touch labor, the are salaried and have a different set of rules, and usually get picked up, for other contracts in the company. They do not have to honor seniority, but they do move people into other assignments in order to keep them.

You keep harping about the "War Machine", like providing the country with aircraft/rockets/missiles that protects you, is something sinister. I do not see it that way at all. God help us if we did not have companies like Boeing, Lockheed, and a long list of others.

Just a little addition to the Boeing issue. Nasaie I just read Boeing is moving 375 jobs of aircraft work from Seattle, down to Long Beach plants, moving some of its operations back to Southern California. The move will take the next 18 months.
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Postby magonia17 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:51 am

So How's it going, The "War on Terror"?...terribly...or terroribly!

The careful use of descriptions and language when the military and the administration speaks about the this so called "war", is interesting. It is certainly a very difficult situation and probably orchestrated to some degree.
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Postby The_Joker » Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:23 pm

Wow! What a topic and what responses from everyone and how far off the original topic can this thread go??

The war on terrorism ... how is it going? More to the point .. has it achieved anything?

1. In so far as any success in the war on terrorism is concerned I believe it to be a massive FAIL on the grounds that who is the enemy?
http://homegrown.newamerica.net/

2. If we can't identify the enemy it becomes necessary to "Profile" people or to "Conduct individual Risk Assessments"

3. Increases in internal security that restrict freedoms

4. Increased Surveillance on the people

and so the list goes on and on ... What does it actually do other than create suspicion amongst the people and create fear?

To some extent that tactics work...many terrorist activities/threats have been intercepted but at what cost?? I am not talking about monetary costs or even freedoms being lost. I am talking about the cost to our humanity itself.

I do not want war, I do not want to fight people at home here in Australia or anywhere else for that matter and I think most people are like me, they just want to enjoy their life in peace and go about their business. I think the majority of the worlds population wants to just to have peaceful enjoyment of their life with a place to call their own without others trying to take it off of them.

The problem is Governments, Kings, Emperors and Rulers of what ever variety they come in, in your country wherever that is. They were given authority to act on our behalf and are expected to represent the people but they don't ...if they did every country's Government would be a reflection of the majority of people and as i have said the majority just want to live in peace.

Government is not representative and that is why we have the situation we have a world constantly in conflict with one or another part of it because of our "Representatives" need and lust for power fueled by individual and collective greed of banks and corporations.

I do not know of anyone in the military (past or present) that wants to go to war but do because they want to defend freedom or regain peace.

So ... in answer to the original question ... No it is not going well at all in fact I would say it has been a massive fail on everybody's part.

It is our (the peoples of the world) fault because we have allowed our so-called representatives to do whatever the hell they want without making them accountable.

No matter where you are in the world you need to stand up and be counted.

You may also want to look at this:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/147373942/FREEdom-Flyer
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Postby Schemer » Thu May 08, 2014 12:12 pm

....shoulda finished what they started. Rummies skinny little tact in Iraq shoulda been an all out American Muscle Kruncher on the entire nation after we grabbed control in Afghanistan, so no looting or other crimes coulda been done. That being said, we shoulda shouldered up with Israel after sadamnit got hung and crawled up Iran's nose. This is another political stupid by our politicians just like after WW2 when the President did not let McArther shove up the Ho Chi Ming Trail and when he did not let Patton show the Russians what for after the Nazis got stomped. There would have never been a such a threatening Soviet Block nor a Vietnam. We ain't learnin' folks....Jihad is out right war whether its social manipulation or self-explodin' nuts.
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Postby frrostedman » Wed May 21, 2014 10:26 pm

Schemer wrote:....shoulda finished what they started. Rummies skinny little tact in Iraq shoulda been an all out American Muscle Kruncher on the entire nation after we grabbed control in Afghanistan, so no looting or other crimes coulda been done. That being said, we shoulda shouldered up with Israel after sadamnit got hung and crawled up Iran's nose. This is another political stupid by our politicians just like after WW2 when the President did not let McArther shove up the Ho Chi Ming Trail and when he did not let Patton show the Russians what for after the Nazis got stomped. There would have never been a such a threatening Soviet Block nor a Vietnam. We ain't learnin' folks....Jihad is out right war whether its social manipulation or self-explodin' nuts.


That seems to be the general conclusion. The War on Terror has ended up being a failure because we went into it half-assed and lost our will to win about 6 months to a year after we started it. All we have to do is take off the partisan, rose-colored glasses and see.... the radicals within Islam were then, and are now, the globe's biggest roadblock to any semblance of peace. Bush had his sights on the right folks. But his partisan, Liberal enemies leaped at the opportunity to take him down politically, while in doing so, soured the free world from wanting to see the effort through to the end. The only war George Bush lost was the war against his political enemies and false propaganda. The result of THAT lost war was our country's failure to effectuate positive change vis a vis the War On Terror.

A big thumbs up to the Liberal fanatics out there. You won your political war and got a Socialist elected President of the USA. Our military is weakened to the point of almost uselessness, our foes are emboldened more than ever before, our foes hate us just as much or more than they ever did, we've lost the respect of the entire world, we are no longer considered a leader of the free world and our allies don't trust that we've got their backs, villainous leaders like Putin reign supreme and unchecked, China is in line to become the world's greatest economy, the dollar is slated to be removed as the standard currency of the world, our job market is weak with a bleak future, we have record amounts of people in poverty and record debt approaching 18 trillion, our 2 political parties absolutely HATE each other and would just as soon see the country burn than let their political opponents get their way on anything....

This country and the civilized free world at large are many, many times worse off than we ever were when George Bush declared the War On Terror. If his political opponents (including the worldwide LIberal media, the Liberal politicians in the USA, and the Liberal pacifists in Europe) had only rallied together and unified with the idea that radical Islam needs to be expunged from the planet... the War On Terror would essentially be over by now and the world would be enjoying a level of peace it hadn't seen in a hundred years.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sat May 31, 2014 10:36 am

Do not kid yourselves about the war on terror.

Or as it is quoted by way of FDR..."if it happens we planned it that way.!!"

FDR did not say I planned it that way..but "We" planned it that way. Plural.


What I note coming out of the "War on Terror" is that the American people are now more suspect by their own government than ever..not the radical Islamists or whatever label is put on them..but the American People themselves.

It has taken me many many years to semi conncet the dots on this one..to a form of understanding.

What I have concluded is that our own government looks upon us as competitors..not as citizens. This is the reason they must needs know everything about us and our children..for programming ..to keep us going down their created and managed paths...not what we decide but what they decide..from birth to grave.
This is why more and more people have concerns about privacy.

One can put any name one wants on this ...system..but make no mistake it is a system of monitoring and control.

The standard predictable argument is that If you are doing nothing wrong ...there is nothing to worry about.

Privacy is ours whether we are doing anything wrong or not. It belongs to us..not to a government or information gathering system.

The only reason to know so much about the citizen is if you must needs control and monitor them...by knowing any and everything about them...from the smallest details...from our children to the parents and grandparents.

I can understand why Ameicans are so upset about Drones in their neighborhoods. More and more drone use against ordinary Americans.

I think this fellow Edward Snowden is correct in their concerns about the American Citizen and their privacy. I have thought the same thing ...or things..that our cell phones can be monitored..whether on or off..as long as the battery is still installed. Cameras activated..microphones turned on to listen...etc etc etc.

I have suspected for some time now that this is the reason the new generations of cell phones have a battery which cannot be removed. GPS is also put in them ..not for our benefit but for the benefit of those whom would monitor us.

I have thought for some time now that our cable television systems are for monitoring us..not for our benefit.

And of course so too with this computer.

I am considering giving up the cable television and going to tv on the computer if It is going to be monitored. This seems to be the trend line of late. Also there is not much of interest which appeals to me on the cable television for what is being paid for it.

I think the "War on Terrorism " only accelerated the monitoring of the American Citizen..not so much the radical Islamist.

When it became obvious that we now had a government which was looking more into domestic suspects and even if they had to create them for the news and propaganda successes...it raised, back then, an alarm bell in my head as to how much competition we are for an insecure government. And they are getting more and more insecure. It is not a matter of political party affilliation. I think both parties are in on it...the fear and insecurity.
And they are trying to spread it to us. To set the hook..and reel us in.

To Shake us down using fear and terror...Insecurity. A Shakedown if you like. With more government as the solution.


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Postby Schemer » Tue Jun 03, 2014 10:50 am

Nigfis wrote:
greeney2 wrote:What makes you so sure British intelligence does not have exactly the same kind of system and information on you?
Typical Greeney reply...
They well might, but I was asking you and your fellow Americans, which is why the question was posted.
CCTV is rolling out right across your nation, every town, every city, and so are 'guards' with automatic assault rifles. Airport striptease, biometric passports the lot.

So tell me Greeney, do you feel safe yet? :lol:

Terrorists! Their aim is to strike terror into your hearts, and your 'war' is against them is so you can live a safe, peaceful life.... How's that working for you?
Will you be taking your holidays in Iraq or Iran or Palestine any time soon?
Thought not.

Face it. You are losing a war that will destroy your country and your way of life. A war you started. In fact, and in the face of the few things I mention above, it already has.



Barbary Pirates in the mediteranian during Americas struggle to establish messed and juked with us incesantly back then. Mussel men all; damn near ruined us then. There still messin with us....attempting to negotiate w/ 'em didn't and doesn't work. They will play this "eternal war" B.S. of their's 'till they rule. It is their religions mandate to establish Sharia Law. This cult won't quit. You're laughable.....Creatin. :wall:
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:57 am

Nigfis,

America has been fighting wars for the Crown..the British Merchants since the Boxer Rebellion in China. American secretly gave up the Monroe Doctrine for the Crowns doctrine of Anglo Saxon Superiority and Rule of the World.
This is unknown by most Americans ..even today. History is such a poorly taught subject here.

See....

E.C. Knuth...."The Empire of the City"

Since the Boxer Rebellion ..one war after another has been for the Crown and the Crown Merchants in a Resource War..on a Global Scale.

I know this because only Americans are so dumb about the nature of things that they fight war after war and do not bring home any spoils.. "The Victors get the spoils " as the saying goes.

Only Americans can be this dumb that they do not get it nor have much of a grasp of history....and survive. The UK would not have survived on this doctrine...without getting other to fight their wars for them..and take much of the RISKS for them..by this I mean the Crown.

The US went to war in the mid east under the insistance of Maggie Thatcher when she came to the Aspen Institute and spoke to the elder Bush. The elder Bush went in a dove and came out a hawk ready to go to war to protect the Crowns interests in Kuwait.

And then we were dumb enough to do it again..at huge expense once more.

It was easy to predict that just like in Vietnam..all this territory would be turned over to the Radical Islamics after the infrastructure was built up at taxpayer expense into the 21st century standards. These nations will go into storage..the resources off the marketplace.
So too with Libya, with Egypt and when it transpires..Syria too...just as happened with the resources turned over to the Communists in Vietnam...Oil. Vietnam has been in storage ever since and the Oil off the marketplace and not driving down prices world wide. A controlled rigged marketplace in oil.

Only Ameicans can be so dumb they do not get it ..nor understand it from past history.

But I caught it...The Crown still at work..protecting it's interests at the expense of other nations. We call this today a "coalition." What it really is ..is a shakedown.

Our own government has sold our souls to a foreign power for lucre. Hence we fight other peoples wars and for their profit..not ours. In the end..we dont bring home any spoils.

Most Ameicans are totally unawares of this template but history speaks of it if one knows how to read it.

The Muslims today ..under racical Islam ..are replacing the Communists to keep Americans afraid of their own shadow and keep our government in power against the American People while they go for more and more control. Just as they did with the olde Soviets.

More fear mongering.

The level of controls and fear mongering/intimidation is exactly what is going on in the UK. Americans are losing their freedom and liberty and it is being replaced by controls in every avenue of our lives. Free speech is one. Free speech is all but gone in the UK now. Not something to Boast about against us here. All this has been replaced in the UK with Political Correctness....ie..censorshp.

Someone here wants to make us into Englishmen. No thanks.

In order to make things "Fair" the Englishman must take second and third place in their own country to everyone who wants to get there on a free ride. All this while producing first fruits...the Englishman must get second or third fruits from his own labors.

This is exactly the template planned sn scheduled by our own government on our own people here in America.

It is not difficult to see that somenone is trying to turn us into Englishmen. No thanks.

The telltale sign or fingerprint that this is taking place is our leadership is using the word..."Fair." A dead give away of what is coming. That a people must take first place risk in their jobs or occupations but not have the discretionary use over what they earn or produce but must needs give it up to government in order to make things "Fair."
This is not free market economcs..but instead a rigged system...and becoming more so.
Exactly the status of Englishmen today.

Those of us who can still think here in this country...ar not interested in the "Guilt Templates or Guilt Manipulations" of what tries to pass for Political Corectness and public education today. The English Template...the World Template...The Crown Template.

We are not Englishmen.

Orangetom


Post Script.

Ameicans do indeed have cameras all across this country...just as do Englishmen. Our own government does not trust us anymore than does the English Government trust their own people.

I keep telling the boards that someone is trying to turn us into Englishmen.
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