at1with0 wrote:The heaven question is too relevant to ignore. I would surmise that most people who believe in heaven also believe people in heaven have free will. Thus, the implication is that it IS possible to never suffer and to never commit a crime against another AND still have free will.
You operate off of a lot of assumptions there. IF heaven exists, and there is no pain that exists there, AND people are not "pre-programmed" to do 'only good', AND you assume there is free will after all those points - I find a huge problem with that. IF you then juxtapose that with an Earth, and a time, that has no pain, suffering, and genocide, and life is all hunky dory with love, peace, happiness, rainbows and puppies, what, then would be the difference between our world - and living eternally behind the gates of Heaven living in bliss with God? What would, or rather could, we strive for? Why would we try to achieve it? There would be no distinct line between our lives, and "heaven" where we go in the afterlife.
I believe that God would want his creations the choice to choose. The choice between right and wrong, living and dying, killing and peace, etc. It gives us "something to live for" but also offers a something to look forward to when we pass on.
The evil doers - they will live eternally in a life of pain and suffering in hell. The do-gooders and those that strive to be perfect, will live eternally in heaven.
You need to really think hard about what it would be to live in a world of all puppies and rainbows all the time. Heaven would lose it's luster, and our lives would be, well, rather boring. Not that I am all for peace and good. But LEARNING right and wrong -- doing wrong and learning from that (aside from mass genocide and killing) is what MAKES US HUMAN. Of course, there is a line that once passed, I would think there is no coming back, but who I am to decide?