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Postby at1with0 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:32 am

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The court invalidated the Defense of Marriage Act, which denied federal benefits to gay couples who are legally married in their states, including Social Security survivor benefits, immigration rights and family leave.
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Postby blackvault » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:07 am

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Postby greeney2 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:55 am

AS I had written in the past, the issue still remains very much a very close call. The voters passed prop 8 by just a hair over 50%. All the California court decisions, were only one judge apart, one time in favor, one time against. The US Supreme Court ruling was 5-4, again the issue divided by a very short margin. That said, the laws will go forward, and in time same sex marriage will probably reach all 50 states.

You can probably declare that those against it, have something wrong with them, however when your highest courts in States and the Federal Government only are one vote apart, every time, there are legal issues on both sides that appear to be valid, in support or in against the issue. In all the legal minds of the highest courts, it was not a slam dunk, and their split, was very much the same as the voters---right down the middle of several occasions.
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Postby blackvault » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:00 am

greeney2 wrote:You can probably declare that those against it, have something wrong with them......


No one said there was anything 'wrong' with them. Just... misguided ;)
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Postby at1with0 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:36 pm

The closeness of voting and the closeness of the supreme court ruling should hopefully not be for the same reasons. While the public can vote for any reason they please the justices should rule in accordance with the constitution and law.
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Postby greeney2 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:01 pm

That is exactly my point, the split in the courts vote by only one vote now in three courts, by only a single vote, means by both California State Law, and Federal Law, there was legal merit for those who did not say it was unconstitutional. I believe even prior to these 2 State rulings was another ruling several years ago, that ruled because of the existence of the civil Union laws and other discrimination laws, there was no discrimination against gays.

The voters could be a very different story, some may have voted due to religious reasons,some because they feel marriage is only between a man and woman with no religious reasons, others because they do no accept some of the alternative lifestyles, prejudices, and other reasons.

The justices however decide based on the legal merits, and if it was so one sided and obvious, votes of 9-0, or 7-0, or 5-0 depending on the court would have happened.

The courts have spoken and that is how we live, so like it or not, we all abide by the laws.
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Postby Wing-Zero » Wed Jun 26, 2013 8:10 pm

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Postby at1with0 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 9:07 pm

If it had been 5-4 to not repeal the DOMA, would you be harping on the closeness of that decision?
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Postby greeney2 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:29 pm

Just remember to invite me to the wedding. :lol:
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Postby at1with0 » Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:33 pm

greeney2 wrote:Just remember to invite me to the wedding. :lol:



Of course you'll be there; you're the groom/bride...
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