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Postby greeney2 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:08 am

http://news.yahoo.com/atheist-group-ang ... 21104.html

Will one squeeky wheel again make everyone else pay the price?


Atheist group, angry mom go ballistic over prayer at pretend preschool commencement
The Daily Caller – 5 hrs ago

The Madison, Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation has sent a two-page letter to a school district in southeast Texas complaining about a preschool graduation ceremony begun with an unconstitutional prayer.
The controversial supplication occurred on May 31 in a classroom at Amelia Elementary School in Beaumont, reports local ABC affiliate KBMT. A preschool student led the brief prayer, which ended with the words “In Jesus’ name, Amen.” The student seems to have been following the instruction of a preschool teacher.
Amber Barnhill, a self-identified Christian and one of the parents in attendance at the graduation, spoke with the teacher responsible for the prayer. This conversation must have gone poorly. Barnhill told the ABC affiliate that she was especially offended by the teacher’s response.
“She said it was legal, that it was freedom of speech,” Barnhill told the station. “She said it wasn’t her religion; it was her way of life. And she continually said that she could not allow herself to apologize.”
The teacher with whom Barnhill spoke would only speak anonymously with KBMT but she tells of a pretty different exchange.
“The little girl said something like, ‘Thank you God for this day. Bless us all. In Jesus’ name, Amen,” the unnamed teacher explained. “I didn’t intend to impose. I just tried to mock a graduation. I did apologize to the lady who was the only one that I found that was offended.”
Whatever the case, Barnhill contacted the Freedom from Religion Foundation, which now describes the fleeting prayer at the preschool commencement as “a serious violation of the First Amendment.”
“I expect acknowledgement and accountability,” she demanded.
She said she also expects that no one in Beaumont will ever again invoke religion at a public school’s pretend graduation for preschoolers.
The Beaumont Independent School District will respond to the letter of complaint after it conducts a meticulous investigation of the preschool graduation ceremony, according to a spokeswoman.
The Freedom from Religion Foundation has contacted a number of school districts this year with various demands, ultimatums and threats of litigation.
Last month, a Texas judge ruled that cheerleaders at Kountze High School (just north of Beaumont) can display banners emblazoned with biblical verses at football games. An angry letter to the school district from the Madison-based outfit had kicked off that fracas.
The FFRF won a battle against a rural Ohio middle school where a portrait of Jesus had hung since the Truman administration. For a few months, school officials had said they would fight an Establishment Clause-based lawsuit but they caved when the school district’s insurer refused to pay to defend the lawsuit. (RELATED: Rural Ohio school district surrenders to ACLU over Jesus portrait)
The FFRF also demanded a school district in New York force a devoutly Christian teacher to eradicate religious material in her classroom, including two quotes by Ronald Reagan.
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Postby greeney2 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:02 pm

Opps! this was from Yahoo news--edited with address link. :oops:
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Postby Dragoness » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:15 pm

I thought it was freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Though I guess the way things are going, I'm probably wrong.
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Postby En-Lugal » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:45 am

Yes, Dragoness, that is the issue at hand here. they don't even attempt to hide their stance, it's in their name. That's Progressives for ya, forward! Trampling everyone else's freedoms in the process, of course.
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Postby bionic » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:28 am

Dragoness wrote:I thought it was freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Though I guess the way things are going, I'm probably wrong.



I completely agree with you, here.
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Postby Dragoness » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:51 pm

It is one of the things they choose to ignore. People came to America, in the beginning, to be able to worship as they pleased and did not want the Churches to control the government. That is what I think it was meant by separation of church and state.

Sometimes I think some of these Atheists just want there name in the paper. We had an issue here where an Atheist complained that they were going do graduation services in a church. Even though the Church agreed to cover the cross. Needless to say, graduation had to be spilt and the number of guest limited. It seems the needs of the few out way the needs of the many.

Maybe what we need to do is when there is an event held by Atheists we should complain that they are offending us by leaving us out :) :o
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Postby orangetom1999 » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:28 am

Dragoness » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:51 pm
It is one of the things they choose to ignore. People came to America, in the beginning, to be able to worship as they pleased and did not want the Churches to control the government. That is what I think it was meant by separation of church and state.

Sometimes I think some of these Atheists just want there name in the paper. We had an issue here where an Atheist complained that they were going do graduation services in a church. Even though the Church agreed to cover the cross. Needless to say, graduation had to be spilt and the number of guest limited. It seems the needs of the few out way the needs of the many.

Maybe what we need to do is when there is an event held by Atheists we should complain that they are offending us by leaving us out.



Dragoness and others,
THe system of government for which the Founders here were trying to prevent here in America was a system of Absolute Power in the hands of a few for lucre or political lucre/power.
In European history this form of "Absolute Power" went by another name. It was called "Divine Right of Kings."

Under "Divine Right of Kings" a Kings crown was put on his head by the religious authority of that nation. Since his crown was put on him by the religious authority his power and authority was from God...therefore there was no limit on his power over a people and nation. The Kings power was therefore Absolute. The king could make or break any law and the law could not touch him. THe king was above the law..for he was the law itself.. "In the name of the King!!" or so the saying goes
Under such systems of absolute power ..there was no limit to how much or what a government could extract from the people..for his power was from God and to go against ones king was to go against God.
This system of absolute power or feudalism was true not only in European Nations..but in the orient and middle asia or the Mid East as well...absolute power in the hands of a man..by the religious authority .
IT made for a nice relationship of fleecing the people betweent he kings and the religious authority or the priesthood.
What this made for in many of these countries is a system in which a few people had a little and the rest had almost nothing....economically. The royalty and priesthoods had most and the rest had very little.
This is the condition of men all across this globe and for most of recorded history.


Today this system has been reversed but it is still the same system...it only looks different on the outside..but underneath when you peel back the veneer ..it is the same system.
Today men want absolute power without the religion and without the olde priesthood. Today by wisdom, by logic , by reason...men are attempting to return back to absolute power in the hands of men and at the expense once again of most people who labor and take risks for their property. As a result of this type of logic and reason ..when you look carefully you see a quiet and accelerating war against private property ..and towards government to
"Redistribute " the wealth of ordinary people and in favor of government. In favor once again of Absolute Power in the hands of men. A quiet return to Feudal Absolute Power in the hands of the government or the ruling group.
It is not taught to the people in this way but this is exactly what it is. Divine Right of Kings and its relationship to Absolute Power is also not taught to most people such that they do not recognize it as it is happening to them.

The method of accomplishing this today is through public education financed by government and within this fabric is to separate the people from their religious beliefs...and any public worship so as to remove this knowledge of Absolute Power/Divine Right of Kings from the souls of the people themselves. In this manner the people will not recognize it when it returns again under a different guise.
Separation of Church and State by the Founders here in America was designed to break this incestuous relationship with the church and state and thereby Absolute power in the hands of men and put it in the hands of the people themselves. Separation of Church and State was a limit on Government itself to prevent Absolute power..it was never intended as a limit on the people as it is being deceitfully practiced today.


For Englishmen...Divine Right of Kings was put to an end when Oliver Cromwell and the Roundheads put King Charles 1st on trial and cut his head off when he was found guilty of Treason against English law in 1649. The precident was set by this history that when a King had broken the laws of the land...that he was not above the law but only an administrator of Just English Law..and could be held accountable with his life. A King was not divine right.
And the Founders here in America knew this this history and what it meant over a hundred years later when King George broke English precident and law...in TAxing without representation here in the colonies. That a king could be held accountable...Cromwell had set this example or precident over a hundred years earlier. This is a history and knowledge known by very very few Americans today and not taught in public schools for good reason.
For this would be a limit on government and the masters working behind government to acquire absolute power through the misuse and abuse of government power against the people and their ability to own and control their private property...verses "Wealth Redistribution."


Atheists are being used and misused by government to keep this knowledge from the people..from the public..as this is also one of the functions of public education..to separate people from any religious beliefs and substitute instead atheism. And we see the fruits of this in our public schools as they turn out many many atheists today. It was designed to create this very result.
Make no mistake ...this is an Atheistic priesthood trying to secure a religion over a people..a religion which is not the product advertised..in like manner to which politics is itself so often not the product advertised. They are a perfect match for each other. They are trying to secure power and control over the majority of the people by this incestious relationship and lie...deception. Religious liberty was always intended in this nation to be in the hands of the people..not in the hands of government to prevent religious liberty by the people. The people were to know what their religious liberty meant and how it was intended to limit or control government..not to set government free from the Chains of the Constitution.
When a people are separated from their religion...the government is free to promote government religion and eventually absolute power. History is replete with this evidence.


The lie and deception that they are teaching is that Separation of Church and State was a limit on government..it was never intended as a limit on the people themselves. They are misusing Separation of Church and State to be a limit on the people. This is the lie.
Once you know this history about Divine Right of Kings, Absolute Power , and Separation of Church and State...Atheists, Public Schools, and the religious beliefs of government become very transparent...very clear...that they desire a return back to Absolute Power/Divine Right of Kings in the hands of men. It is just being done by a slightly different route..but it is still the same thing..and the same result.....a return to feudalism...royalty.

A footnote to this long explaination of Separation of Church and State.
I find many ministers and church leaders at fault today ...because they do not teach this knowledge to their flocks. They are guilty of leaving their flocks unarmed against the wolves of this world.
This should be a knowledge taught to people in their churches..but it is not. The church leaders and ministers are greatly at fault here for this ignorance of their sheep. They are in this manner aiding and abetting the Atheists cause.

Hope this helps some of you folks,
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Postby Dragoness » Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:00 pm

Basically what I was trying to say, just wordier and more detailed. :D
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Postby sandra » Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:15 pm

Good post tomtom.
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