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Postby at1with0 » Sat May 25, 2013 7:27 am

Wouldn't that make Mary a sister or cousin of Joseph?

At any rate, Mary's lineage is not given, so Jesus can't trace his line back to Adam.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sat May 25, 2013 12:27 pm

at1with0 wrote:Wouldn't that make Mary a sister or cousin of Joseph?

At any rate, Mary's lineage is not given, so Jesus can't trace his line back to Adam.




LOL LOL LOL... a moot point at best!!

Cousins ...this could be said of all the Hebrews as they were directed by God to marry within the tribes....all of them from the 12 sons of Jacob.


However...remember what I said back on page 6 of this thread.

But humans by intellect..by reason..by logic try to get around this by every imaginable manner. All of them of the flesh...not by God's will.


Mary was chosen by God to give birth by knowing no man. And the Lineage is kept by the record of the male line ..not the female line. In both Matthew and Luke we have a record of a male line....in Matthew a male line from David the King..in Luke a male line from Jesus working backwards from Jesus to Adam.

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Postby at1with0 » Sat May 25, 2013 5:27 pm

orangetom1999 wrote:Mary was chosen by God to give birth by knowing no man. And the Lineage is kept by the record of the male line ..not the female line. In both Matthew and Luke we have a record of a male line....in Matthew a male line from David the King..in Luke a male line from Jesus working backwards from Jesus to Adam.

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No. Both of those lineages end with Joseph who is unrelated to Jesus.
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Postby qmark » Sun May 26, 2013 8:10 am

Actually, it was understood by the early church that Luke contained Mary's lineage. They did not have a problem with the way it was recorded. Many people were still alive that knew Mary and Jesus at the time it was written. Most scholars today are in agreement with this.

Joseph may not have been His biological father but he was related, being married to Jesus' mother.

What exactly is your point of contention because it obviously goes deeper than what lineage is listed or not. If this were the case, this is the most stupid conversation I have ever seen.
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Postby at1with0 » Sun May 26, 2013 8:49 am

qmark wrote:Actually, it was understood by the early church that Luke contained Mary's lineage. They did not have a problem with the way it was recorded. Many people were still alive that knew Mary and Jesus at the time it was written. Most scholars today are in agreement with this.

Joseph may not have been His biological father but he was related, being married to Jesus' mother.

What exactly is your point of contention because it obviously goes deeper than what lineage is listed or not. If this were the case, this is the most stupid conversation I have ever seen.


This came out of OT's mention of God's breeding program. If Jesus isn't a (biological) descendent of Adam, then that whole theory is debunked.

Of course the early church doesn't have a problem with the word Joseph in Luke 3:23 because that suited their agenda which was, in part, to somehow prove Jesus is a direct descendent of Adam.

I don't see how most scholars could possibly be in agreement that when Luke 3:23 says Joseph, it means Mary.

Personally, I don't care whose blood Jesus carried inside his body or if he was an alien from the 5526923rd parallel universe. What I care about is the message Jesus carried in his mind.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sun May 26, 2013 10:05 am

The purpose of God's breeding program is to strain out or diminish/prevent the nephilite DNA or blood/sin from the line of the Messiah.
To get rid of the nephilim strain...the nephilim rituals..the nephilim depravity..total depravity. The Hebrews were to have nothing to do with this pattern. This is why they were told to be a peculiar people. To show that they were not like the rest of the world.



This was also why the Hebrews were instructed to carry on the way they did when they were given the land back in the Olde Testament.
This is the very thing that Humphries and others can never understand while putting the onus of violence off on God and God's people for what happened in the Olde Testament...while playing their "Blame Game." They totally avoid this history and knowledge while playing their guilt politics. What many of the other nations surrounding Ancient Israel were doing in their religions would put Playboy and other genre to kindergarten levels.
It is the very same pattern of sin today ...in avoiding the knowledge of "Democide" while playing the blame game.


And this is the very thing being attempted to accomplish by our wise sophisticated, intellectual, enlightened, leadership today. To become just like the rest of the world. There is nothing new under the sun. The new world order is nothing but a return to the olde world order.



What is important about Jesus is that he be born without the sin of other men. And this is how God chose to do it...by His will ..His Way.

We have that record ...from Adam. Also we have the record of His Kingship..from David.

The important thing about Joseph..while men are looking at blood and other such physical priorities...is that Joseph did not put Mary out and continued in the marriage..though he knew her to be with child and not his child. Mary and Joseph were to go on as I recall ..to have other children later in their lives. That He not be born Illegitimate.

For Mary ..the important happening was that she had this child "This Holy Thing" though she knew no man. That He be born without sin as foretold.

It is that simple.

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Postby at1with0 » Sun May 26, 2013 10:29 am

Are you suggesting that Jesus' lineage can be traced back to Adam?
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:49 am

at1with0 wrote:Are you suggesting that Jesus' lineage can be traced back to Adam?


Indeed I am at1with0.

In Luke we see this lineage as a man..going back to Adam. And here the perfect individual to record this lineage as a man...the doctor'
Luke. His manhood ...is from Adam..Son of Man...as I recall is one of His names..among many of His names.

In Matthew we see this lineage as a king...beginning with David.

And as I stated in a previous post..we also see Him as a Priest in the Book of John...Our High Priest..Lineage here beginning in the River Jordan where he is Baptized by John the Baptist and thereupon he takes up His Ministry...being about 30 years of age.

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Postby at1with0 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:52 am

orangetom1999 wrote:In Luke we see this lineage as a man..going back to Adam.


How is that possible given that it says Jesus' father was Joseph?
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Postby greeney2 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:38 am

How is the lineage of Mary given in the Bible out of curiosity?
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