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Postby at1with0 » Sat May 04, 2013 6:53 am

Remember the labyrinth of Hellraiser? That was a good maze.
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Postby frrostedman » Mon May 06, 2013 9:54 pm

at1with0 wrote:Remember the labyrinth of Hellraiser? That was a good maze.


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I probably know every line of the entire 1st and 2nd movies. The 3rd one went off the rails and got silly.
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Postby at1with0 » Tue May 07, 2013 8:29 am

My memory of it is pretty fuzzy. I remember a little box that could change shape and of course, pinnhead.

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Postby frrostedman » Sat May 11, 2013 7:19 pm

at1with0 wrote:My memory of it is pretty fuzzy. I remember a little box that could change shape and of course, pinnhead.


Your pic is silly. George Bush as Pinhead? whatevs.

Anyway, Hellraiser 1 and 2 were big time favorite movies of mine. I spent a lot of time analyzing the whole story. Apparently pinhead, in his toying with Kirsty, was seen as becoming weak. So Leviathan (lord of the Labyrinth) rose up a new evil badass (the former Dr. Channard). I remember getting a big emotional rush, watching (for the first time in my life) an evil badass square off against another evil badass. A lot of movies have copied the motif but as far as I am concerned, Hellraiser 2 was the first movie to introduce the idea. It's too bad pinhead lost the fight, though the new evil Cenobite (Channard) died eventually and pinhead came back in future sequels.

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Notice Dr. Charrard was connected to Leviathan directly through some kind of tentacle attached to the top of his head. I presume this was so that Leviathan could have more direct control over his minion.
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Postby at1with0 » Sat May 11, 2013 10:21 pm

I've seen what looked like a cenobite once or twice upon a time. I probably should have been scared but I was closer to dumbfounded.

Isaiah tells us that God created darkness, which makes a lot of sense. Sometimes it feels like we're all just pawns on God's chessboard in his deathmatch with himself. Either way, God did a good job with darkness...
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Postby khanster » Sun May 12, 2013 5:14 am

at1with0 wrote:I've seen what looked like a cenobite once or twice upon a time. I probably should have been scared but I was closer to dumbfounded.

Isaiah tells us that God created darkness, which makes a lot of sense. Sometimes it feels like we're all just pawns on God's chessboard in his deathmatch with himself. Either way, God did a good job with darkness...



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Postby at1with0 » Sun May 12, 2013 5:19 am

khanster wrote:
at1with0 wrote:I've seen what looked like a cenobite once or twice upon a time. I probably should have been scared but I was closer to dumbfounded.

Isaiah tells us that God created darkness, which makes a lot of sense. Sometimes it feels like we're all just pawns on God's chessboard in his deathmatch with himself. Either way, God did a good job with darkness...



Free will AND predestination, both are true. It is Difficult for a three dimensional brain to get a grip on :mrgreen:



Obviously, ¬(p ∧ ¬p) is no longer a tautology in three-valued logic. :Doh: :mrgreen:
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Postby khanster » Sun May 12, 2013 5:29 am

at1with0 wrote:
khanster wrote:
at1with0 wrote:I've seen what looked like a cenobite once or twice upon a time. I probably should have been scared but I was closer to dumbfounded.

Isaiah tells us that God created darkness, which makes a lot of sense. Sometimes it feels like we're all just pawns on God's chessboard in his deathmatch with himself. Either way, God did a good job with darkness...



Free will AND predestination, both are true. It is Difficult for a three dimensional brain to get a grip on :mrgreen:



Obviously, ¬(p ∧ ¬p) is no longer a tautology in three-valued logic. :Doh: :mrgreen:


Three parameters are required for the inclusion of p AND not-p
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Postby at1with0 » Sun May 12, 2013 5:33 am

But does that really offer actual insight into a paradox?
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Postby khanster » Sun May 12, 2013 6:01 am

at1with0 wrote:But does that really offer actual insight into a paradox?


Insights are intuitive leaps and as Einstein says...

“The intellect has little to do on the road to discovery. There comes a leap in consciousness, call it Intuition or what you will, the solution comes to you and you don't know how or why.”
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