greeney2 wrote:Because this is the logic you are using, that God is all knowing and we are all predestined to die at a specific time. I may agree with that to some degree, however neither of us can really proove it can we? You example of the kid being saved only to wheel out and be struck by a car, at least absolves the parents, in that they did everything reasonable to save his life. You can not know if a bomb is going off at your feet, or a bus may roll down a hill, but you sure know when your child is sick, and know when you should seek medical help. My point is that if we all are destined to die even the 8 year old in Boston qualifies, and by that logic, does it matter what the form of death was? I'm not so sure I can understand any logic how God's plan strikes one family with a 8 year old dead, Mother with head injuries, and Sister with a leg blown off. If that is all predestined, who care about those 2 idiots that did it, they are immaterial to the predestined results.
The bible, which you and I profess to believe, doesn't teach that all these horrific situations are part of God's original plan. If we go back to the beginning, it was God's plan for mankind to live in a perfect place, at peace and harmony with God and all things. Then, against God's wishes, our representatives, Adam and Eve, decided that full autonomy (being able to do anything we want) was more important than a perfect life, being able to do almost anything we want. So, being able to do anything except eat fruit from a tree, they ate the fruit from the tree. From that moment, all of the horrible things you mentioned.. injuries, legs blown off, death, all of that became part of our daily lives. All God did was (a) restrain Himself from directly intervening to prevent us from commit the act, and (b) devise away to redeem us, despite our contempt for His rules and our ceaseless efforts to sabotage His master work.
Meanwhile, I do believe that the bible is correct in its teaching that all things that come to pass were foreseen by God. Therefore, from another perspective, it is accurate to say we are inescapably trapped to repeat what He has already seen. Continuing with this line of reasoning: everything we ever do is predestined to have happened and foreordained by God; because God has already seen it happen, yet, obviously did nothing to prevent it.
I believe I have a very logical, step-by-step thought process above. If you take any issue with the logic of it, please tell me.
All that said, I do understand the MORAL dilemmas this thought-process brings forward. You spoke on that matter and I completely understand what you were saying and where you are coming from. I hope I don't disgust you too much but I'll address the moral dilemma you put forth. My take on it is this: God and His will are far more important in my opinion, than my 2 legs, let alone anyone else's 2 legs. God is more important than me, you, our families, and a thousand of us and a thousand of our families. I therefore try to keep everything in perspective.
When I see someone's legs get blown off, I don't hold God in contempt for it, any more than I would hold you in contempt if your child fell off his bicycle and broke his arm. You knew when you put him on that bicycle and took away the training wheels, that eventually he was going to hurt himself. You foresaw it... yet, you restrained yourself from controlling his every action on that bicycle, and you went back into the house to help Momma cook dinner while he rode the bike unattended. Eventually you had to just let go and let him do whatever it was that he was going to do, and trust that he would be ok. And your child, who broke his arm falling off the bike, correctly doesn't hold you in contempt for it either, even though you could have prevented it.