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Postby rath » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:08 am

blackvault wrote:This is posted, with permission, from the author. Well worth the read for those who are interested.

Trevor Lowder, http://eldensword.blogspot.com/ wrote:Give the Power, to Whom Exactly?

These days, we now are seemingly always doing “battle” with liberals on various forums and social sites so I wanted anyone reading this, to be better armed. One thing I have not seen clarified in the argument on “gun control” ,
I have addressed below –

“In the hands of the military or police only” – This little phrase is spreading like wildfire in the media and in the Left’s agenda to synergize their goal of disarming America. Are they under the impression that our military service men and women come from another planet and are maybe automaton droids that have no emotion or impulse and can “suddenly appear” during an act of crime or murder and save the victims? How about our police personnel, the same?

These human beings are subject to the same freedoms and challenges that the rest of us are. The military and police are our friends, family and neighbors. The argument then leans to “training”. Is it not the right and best choice for any man or woman to learn everything that they can to not only survive, but flourish in a free nation?

Training is available to anyone, anytime. And it should be the agenda of the Right to encourage the expansion of weapons training and hand to hand combat for sport and for defense at all costs. Most people that spend time at gun ranges and training events are surrounded not by “militia” or “military personnel”, but by average American citizens.

So, the weapons should be in whose hands? All of the possible leverage, in any life or death situation should be with whom, exactly? In what way, is that a good idea? In what strange and distant version of Earth is it a "good idea" to remove powerful weapons from a good and hardworking people? That's just it, right? These acts are not done by a "good and hardworking people" by and large. But good and hardworking people can celebrate their efforts with Freedom.

Punish the many, for the acts of a few? And you liberals are TEACHERS, Doctors and Lawyers? That model doesn't work in ANY scenario. Hence, the ridiculous claim that criminalizing over 140 million + people for their free interest to buy whatever weapons they want will never stop mass murders.

The case for "The Gun Show Loophole", "High Capacity Mags" and "Military Style Assault Rifles" is simply put, here. The events that have enraged the nation and call for change would not have been changed by any ADDITIONAL legislation or Executive Orders:

- The guns used were not purchased at gun shows, by criminals.

- 10 round magazines in an armed theatre, mall or school can be "swapped out" within seconds, allowing the shooter to continue any spree, easily. A ban on "high cap mags" will not prevent truckloads of manure from blowing up Federal buildings, etc.

- "Military Style Assault Rifles" are not accessible to the general public. They require a Class 3 Tax Stamp and extensive registration and background check. They operate at "Full Auto" or "Burst Fire" or are shortened or modified in a series of existing regulations. Not since the early 90's has an individual (American citizen) even so much as brandished one of these weapons in an act of "mass killing".

How many people died during the Spanish Inquisition? How many by "assault rifles"? How many people died during the attacks on 9/11? 9 TERRORISTS SHOULD HAVE, BY THE ARMED PEOPLE ON THE PLANES, no more.

The individual was given rights by God, an outside force, not to ever be confused by government. Even if that individual chooses not to believe in God, the system is still perfect. They are not required to and yet they get the same individual rights as designed into the Declaration of Independence! The argument falls into the Constitution, alone, too often!

The Declaration of Independence clearly shows that the life-blood and purpose of this nation is to support one’s initiative and drive to be more and have more, without the hand of tyranny to take it and “re-distribute it”.

47% of this nation…I mean 51% (after the election results)...Believes it is better to have a government take care of them, than to have to go out and get their goals accomplished on their own. This would not be quite as worrisome to the free-thinker, if simultaneously they were NOT trying to disarm those of us that make the cogs turn and feed the beast.

“Why do you need that”? – Great question! Why does a soccer player need a ball, “regulation size”? Why do cars NEED to go over a 100 miles per hour? Why, WHY, WHY??? – The free thinking, non-criminal, average American can buy what they want and the entrepreneurs can build and sell what they want. Bigger, louder and more exciting are all adjectives used to describe the average man’s inherent “interest” in the things he plays with. All innuendos aside, whether it’s a soccer ball, a backyard fire or a firearm –Safety, education and respect to all of it, for what it is, is where we start making change.

Starting a fight, telling someone what kind of shoes they can buy, what kind of car they can drive and what kind of gun they can own is the stupidest possible agitant to support “peace “ and a “violence free America”.

If the Left would like to discuss change, they can come to the table with detailed plans on changing the messages sent by Hollywood, the video game industry and the prescription drug industry, FIRST. From there we can discuss how SICK PEOPLE can be ensured by law enforcement to be removed from access to deadly objects.

In our arguments and discussions with “open minds”, those that might be on the fence and even those with their “heals dug in”, it is imperative that we use reason and patience and above all, facts and intelligence. It’s an emotional battle that can be won without bloodshed if we keep our cool. Who would come knocking on our doors for the guns? We, the People, will not. “We, the People” are the military and police. Once they bring in the U.N. to our soil, it will be an official act of war on 140 million + American Citizens. At that scale, the relatively small events (With all due respect) that caused it will seem ridiculous.

Keep your powder dry.

Source: http://eldensword.blogspot.com/



Some good point's but over all it's still propaganda, & Bias at that.
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Postby rath » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:17 am

blackvault wrote:The free thinking, non-criminal, average American can buy what they want and the entrepreneurs can build and sell what they want. Bigger, louder and more exciting are all adjectives used to describe the average man’s inherent “interest” in the things he plays with. All innuendos aside, whether it’s a soccer ball, a backyard fire or a firearm –Safety, education and respect to all of it, for what it is, is where we start making change.
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I rest my case ... More Lies & Propaganda.

The USA is the Most oppressive market in the world. The U.S government is already the Most Bias agent of the free market in the world.

USA already controls what American's can buy ... see & sell. more than any other nation in the world.

The so called free thinking USA market is the most controlled, Closed & oppressive market in the World.

Not a day goes by when the usa does not Ban a product from being imported into the usa, Or another embargo place on oil, cars, & food. So despite the articles claims ... yes Shoes from other nations being sold in the USA.

Thus controlling what the so called
blackvault wrote:The free thinking, non-criminal, average American can buy what they want and the entrepreneurs can build and sell what they want.
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Postby capricorn » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:12 am

rath wrote:USA already controls what American's can buy ... see & sell. more than any other nation in the world.


But your whole point is has been how there isnt enough gun control in the USA. ???

You need to be a bit more clear on your beliefs. You are all over the place and not making any sense.

I argued, for half of this thread, how guns dont reduce overall crime. You didnt say anything about that until the end of our discussion. You ended up agreeing with me that guns control will not reduce overall crime. If you believe this then what do you believe gun control will accomplish?

Its been proven that places with gun control are more violent and have a higher overall crime rate.

To me this discussion is over unless you want to bring something new to the table and not another meaningless rant about how great australia is. Its time to move one.
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Postby rath » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:45 am

capricorn wrote:
rath wrote:USA already controls what American's can buy ... see & sell. more than any other nation in the world.


But your whole point is has been how


Huh ....... there is that Hill Billy English again. ( From somebody who cant even speak ( or spell ) English.
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Postby capricorn » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:41 am

rath wrote:
capricorn wrote:
rath wrote:USA already controls what American's can buy ... see & sell. more than any other nation in the world.


But your whole point is has been how


Huh ....... there is that Hill Billy English again. ( From somebody who cant even speak ( or spell ) English.


Crikey's MAte! Don't get your knickers in a knot, let me rephrase so an aussie can understand eh?

Alright then Mate, But cha ole point ez been ha theer aint nuff gaane contrail in the ya'nited staytes. ???

Ya need tah be a bit mare clear on yer beliefs mate! Yerr all over tha place and not making a bit'a sense.

I've beeeen sayin, for a nice size of this thread, how bannin them gans wont make even a dent ta reduce ova all crume rite. Ya dint say nuthin baut it til the end of our barney. Ya just ended up 'greeing with me that gaane contrail will nat reduce overall crume rite. If you believe this then what do you believe gaaaane contrail will accomplish?

Now here is the Dinky-di... Its been the Bloody Oath that places with gaaaaaaane contraill are more violent and ave a 'igher overall crume rite.

In my pin'yin, its time for ya to Belt up Mate. The'cussions over anless ya want to bring samthin new ta the table en not a'natha meaningless raaaant bout how great them aussie land is. Its time to move one mate.

Cheerio!
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Postby at1with0 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:50 am

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Postby rath » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:30 pm

capricorn wrote:Crikey's MAte! Don't get your knickers in a knot, let me rephrase so an aussie can understand eh?

Alright then Mate, But cha ole point ez been ha theer aint nuff gaane contrail in the ya'nited staytes. ???

Ya need tah be a bit mare clear on yer beliefs mate! Yerr all over tha place and not making a bit'a sense.

I've beeeen sayin, for a nice size of this thread, how bannin them gans wont make even a dent ta reduce ova all crume rite. Ya dint say nuthin baut it til the end of our barney. Ya just ended up 'greeing with me that gaane contrail will nat reduce overall crume rite. If you believe this then what do you believe gaaaane contrail will accomplish?

Now here is the Dinky-di... Its been the Bloody Oath that places with gaaaaaaane contraill are more violent and ave a 'igher overall crume rite.

In my pin'yin, its time for ya to Belt up Mate. The'cussions over anless ya want to bring samthin new ta the table en not a'natha meaningless raaaant bout how great them aussie land is. Its time to move one mate.

Cheerio!


That's some first grade, American frontier gibberish. :thumbup:

It's a real shame all the none American's don't understand hillbilly.

P.S ...... i don't mean to nit pick ....... but you spelling is getting worse.
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Postby at1with0 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:37 pm

rath wrote:P.S.S ...... i don't mene to nit pik ....... bt you spelllling is geting wors.


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Postby rath » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:42 pm

at1with0 wrote:
rath wrote:P.S.S ...... i don't mene to nit pik ....... bt you spelllling is geting wors.


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Postby rath » Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:01 pm

capricorn wrote:
rath wrote:USA already controls what American's can buy ... see & sell. more than any other nation in the world.


But your whole point is has been how there isnt enough gun control in the USA. ???

You need to be a bit more clear on your beliefs. You are all over the place and not making any sense.

I argued, for half of this thread, how guns dont reduce overall crime. You didnt say anything about that until the end of our discussion. You ended up agreeing with me that guns control will not reduce overall crime. If you believe this then what do you believe gun control will accomplish?

Its been proven that places with gun control are more violent and have a higher overall crime rate.

To me this discussion is over unless you want to bring something new to the table and not another meaningless rant about how great australia is. Its time to move one.



:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :roll:

1st ... you need to stop Plagarising my posts ....... :oops:

2nd ... Plagarising is not spelt plagiarizing. :lol: :lol: :lol:

3erd ...You need to read other peoples posts because you keep getting your facts wrong & you just look like a tool.

4th ...
capricorn wrote:
rath wrote:USA already controls what American's can buy ... see & sell. more than any other nation in the world.


But your whole point is has been how there isnt enough gun control in the USA. ???


I have no idea what your on ... my comment was in reply to a post from another member .... :oops:

Once again your all over the place & not making any sense what so ever.

5th ... my position still is that there is not enough gun control in the usa.

capricorn, ... Please ... think long & hard about what your trying to say ... & when you think you have worked it out ... think about it some more the check your facts once more, before you post a reply.

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