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Postby at1with0 » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:53 pm

Don't mind the title of the video.



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Postby bionic » Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:44 pm

Satan is just using you to confuse me.
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to be honest, though..those people made some good points here and there
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Postby at1with0 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:09 am

Satan?

Well this is pretty much a strawman video...Trying to show what some people who call themselves Christians believe in the worst light possible.

Let's just take the issue of the big bang. In the video they mocked, or seemed to mock, scientists who believe that the matter used in the big bang had always existed in a dormant-like state. They poke fun at the concept of matter having always existed, as that leads to infinite regress issues. Yet they (I assume) believe that God having always existed. They probably have a rejoinder to that point though.
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Postby greeney2 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:51 pm

I think in this forum we have covered the extreme ends of belief spectrum. And a lot of places in between.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:30 am

I saw this link posted a few days ago but decided to wait until some others have commented on it before myself commenting and posting on the the topic.

I knew from the beginning there would be something very wrong with the premise of those who made the video but as I stated I decided to wait to see what some of the members here would post.

First off ...I am not against science per se...but strongly against science as being the basis of a faith or belief system.

I say this in view of what I have many times posted about "Democide" where the author behind that knowledge has declared that some 262 million people have been killed across this globe and by their own governments and in the last 100 years. What is to be noted about the last 100 years is that this is the time of "Intellectuals" Scientists and scientific development of nations and of course the world...or world system. Yet this is happening right under our noses...by many nations employing teams of scientists to develop their nations.

My point in this is that science will sell itself to whomever pays the bills. Thus making it no better for humans than what onus they try to put off on religion. Thus and to me ..science is not a good or solid basis for faith..but Faith is a good basis.

Remember...the Muslims and their leadership believe also in Science...so too do the communists. When they are making films like this one they totally avoid this knowledge and understanding.

Ironically ..so too do the Christians in this video avoid this history and they of all people should be making this connection with science to broaden out the knowledge and understanding of their flocks concerning the nature of this world and the god of this world..outside the Faith.



Also from the beginning ..I knew immediately that there was something very wrong with the video when I saw this logo in the credits

thesunofjuda


The Sun...is often a watch word for Sun..or the rising sun..in the east.

As those in the Occult religions will often aske themselves.. "Have you been to the East??"

The east is where the rising sun comes up to spread its light upon the earth. In occult religions they speak of the sun..not the Son.

This is a dead giveaway of the origins of this video. Most of you are never to know this about Occult religions.

Notice too that the word juda is in lower case..not Juda and it is all one word to hide this. As they say in Occult religions.."I shall ever conceael and never reveal."




You never hear from even public school sources what I have told you about science...that science is hard at work in nations which slaughter en mass..their own people. Nor do you hear what I have just told you about the pattern of Occult religions and how they conceal what they are often doing right in front of you. This about Occult religions in particular will never be taught in public schools...for the very few genuinely intuitive will realize that they are teaching concealed Occult patterns in public school....including socialistic communism/marxism.

God's pattern of operation is to the West..not to the East.



As Abraham did when returning from the wars...he builded himself an altar unto God between Bethel in the west and Hai in the east.
God takes much labor in Genesis 12:8 to point out that the altar was between Bethel in the west and Hai in the east.

Bethel translates...Beth...house. El....God...House of God in the west. To go to God one goes West..not east.

Hai translates...garbage dump or refuse dump in the east. To go to the garbage dump or refuse dump one goes to the east.

Very few ministers will tell you this...teach and preach on it.

"Have you been to the West???"

Right there in the Word..in Genesis..the first Book of the Word.

Much of this concealed Occult religion is right in front of you daily. Also once you become familiar with the pattern of operation ...you can see our leadership carrying out this pattern themselves as servants of the sun in the east. For they are stooges of the sun and so too are their compliant media carrying this out.

I never understood for many years ..what my co worker meant...when he called CNN ....Chicken Noodle News...but once you know the occult/concealed side of it..you can see many of the news networks playing into this ..including Fox News.


For this is also of the pattern about which the lecturer is speaking in "The Ever War." The very pattern...all around us ..daily.


I do not expect all of you to understand what I am posting here...but only some. It is in particular ..to those some..however few...to whom I am speaking.

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Postby En-Lugal » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:40 am

orangetom1999 wrote:I saw this link posted a few days ago but decided to wait until some others have commented on it before myself commenting and posting on the the topic.

I knew from the beginning there would be something very wrong with the premise of those who made the video but as I stated I decided to wait to see what some of the members here would post.

First off ...I am not against science per se...but strongly against science as being the basis of a faith or belief system.

I say this in view of what I have many times posted about "Democide" where the author behind that knowledge has declared that some 262 million people have been killed across this globe and by their own governments and in the last 100 years. What is to be noted about the last 100 years is that this is the time of "Intellectuals" Scientists and scientific development of nations and of course the world...or world system. Yet this is happening right under our noses...by many nations employing teams of scientists to develop their nations.

My point in this is that science will sell itself to whomever pays the bills. Thus making it no better for humans than what onus they try to put off on religion. Thus and to me ..science is not a good or solid basis for faith..but Faith is a good basis.

Remember...the Muslims and their leadership believe also in Science...so too do the communists. When they are making films like this one they totally avoid this knowledge and understanding.

Ironically ..so too do the Christians in this video avoid this history and they of all people should be making this connection with science to broaden out the knowledge and understanding of their flocks concerning the nature of this world and the god of this world..outside the Faith.



Also from the beginning ..I knew immediately that there was something very wrong with the video when I saw this logo in the credits

thesunofjuda


The Sun...is often a watch word for Sun..or the rising sun..in the east.

As those in the Occult religions will often aske themselves.. "Have you been to the East??"

The east is where the rising sun comes up to spread its light upon the earth. In occult religions they speak of the sun..not the Son.

This is a dead giveaway of the origins of this video. Most of you are never to know this about Occult religions.

Notice too that the word juda is in lower case..not Juda and it is all one word to hide this. As they say in Occult religions.."I shall ever conceael and never reveal."




You never hear from even public school sources what I have told you about science...that science is hard at work in nations which slaughter en mass..their own people. Nor do you hear what I have just told you about the pattern of Occult religions and how they conceal what they are often doing right in front of you. This about Occult religions in particular will never be taught in public schools...for the very few genuinely intuitive will realize that they are teaching concealed Occult patterns in public school....including socialistic communism/marxism.

God's pattern of operation is to the West..not to the East.



As Abraham did when returning from the wars...he builded himself an altar unto God between Bethel in the west and Hai in the east.
God takes much labor in Genesis 12:8 to point out that the altar was between Bethel in the west and Hai in the east.

Bethel translates...Beth...house. El....God...House of God in the west. To go to God one goes West..not east.

Hai translates...garbage dump or refuse dump in the east. To go to the garbage dump or refuse dump one goes to the east.

Very few ministers will tell you this...teach and preach on it.

"Have you been to the West???"

Right there in the Word..in Genesis..the first Book of the Word.

Much of this concealed Occult religion is right in front of you daily. Also once you become familiar with the pattern of operation ...you can see our leadership carrying out this pattern themselves as servants of the sun in the east. For they are stooges of the sun and so too are their compliant media carrying this out.

I never understood for many years ..what my co worker meant...when he called CNN ....Chicken Noodle News...but once you know the occult/concealed side of it..you can see many of the news networks playing into this ..including Fox News.


For this is also of the pattern about which the lecturer is speaking in "The Ever War." The very pattern...all around us ..daily.


I do not expect all of you to understand what I am posting here...but only some. It is in particular ..to those some..however few...to whom I am speaking.

Thanks,
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Certainly explains our government's infatuation with the East, specifially, the middle-east. ;)
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Postby at1with0 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:51 am

OT, you say a lot about the makers of the video but not its contents. You are paying a great deal of attention to the messenger and not the message. Then you seized the opportunity to get on your soap box, not all of which was lost on me btw.

I think this video is a great way to get Christians to tighten their act because some of them do think this way. A common error is to try to justify Biblical thought with logic and reason.

Faith is a better thing to base society on than science or religion? Do you not love the iPhone 5???

The whole world is peopled with rotten eggs, so my faith in democracy or Democide is diminished.

While I believe in a God, I do not believe that God has my best interest as its priority.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:53 am

Certainly explains our government's infatuation with the East, specifially, the middle-east.


In a manner yes...

As they also say.... " The Sun and the Moon and the Master,"

For they worshipped the sun in the day time on the hills ..the groves and high places..and the moon in the valleys at night.

For now it is the time of the moon..the crescent moon. And I believe they are using/misusing these peoples and religion as they will use/misuse any cause. For they often also speak of the "True Religion."
The religion of the Sun...in the east.

These people are not loyal to a nation or people..but to their religion...and it is not the religion advertised. It is also difficult to pick up the pattern unless tutored in it.

But it can be found in the Word if one knows where to look.

Your point about our government is a valid one.

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Postby orangetom1999 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:14 am

at1with0 wrote:OT, you say a lot about the makers of the video but not its contents. You are paying a great deal of attention to the messenger and not the message. Then you seized the opportunity to get on your soap box, not all of which was lost on me btw.

I think this video is a great way to get Christians to tighten their act because some of them do think this way. A common error is to try to justify Biblical thought with logic and reason.

Faith is a better thing to base society on than science or religion? Do you not love the iPhone 5???

The whole world is peopled with rotten eggs, so my faith in democracy or Democide is diminished.

While I believe in a God, I do not believe that God has my best interest as its priority.




At1with0,

You bring out some good points here.

I kind of figured this was where the thread would go. No problem.

I thought I was explaining various peculearities about the contents...was I not?? The logo at the beginning??

They are attempting to make science out to be something it is not and I pointed out the flaw in the thinking...or to put it another way....even the empty parts in Christian thinking which should not be empty. Their own ministers are not telling Christians the whole story ..thus leaving them very vulnurable to this type of Illogic.

This video is a great way to demonstrate to both Believers and unbelievers what is missing from their thinking pattern..particulary concerning science and the religion of science being used or misused to deceive people about a great many things around them.

Some Christians do indeed think this way. But they are not playing with a full deck here and I fault their own ministers for not giving them the Whole Council of God concerning this.

By the way..while I am thinking about it...concerning all that dating stuff in the video...alot of that is covered in scientific terms in the Ever War. Most non believeres and sadly Believers..have never heard what the speaker is stating about dating methods in the Ever War.

This video is as stated..designed to make believers look bad when both sides do not have a full deck of cards.



Faith is a better thing to base society on than science or religion? Do you not love the iPhone 5???


At1with0...I would appreciate it if you do not sell yourself and others short here with this type of illogic. For I know that there is life after the iPhone5 or whatever Planned obscelance next arrives. I am not into such instant gratification that I need an iPhone 5 or the next gadget to come down the line to think I am someone significant or that life is good. Technology is fine...but I prefer people who can think and function without the technology much better than a people or system dependent on it to the point of non functionallity if it goes out.

Faith fills this gap nicely ..technology does not.

Oh..and I do not have an iPhone 5 or even the previous generations. They keep coming around faster than I desire to keep up. I am not that interested in something I know to be a treadmill.

The whole world is peopled with rotten eggs, so my faith in democracy or Democide is diminished.

While I believe in a God, I do not believe that God has my best interest as its priority.



Quite right...about the rotten eggs. But that does not diminish my faith in Democracy or democide. For I know that they are not the product advertised. If anything...by this world...this status is pretty much avoided...in lieu of the "We are all good people" belief system.



As to God not having your best interest in mind...in that we are in agreement. It is up to us to handle that. For God is not an "Entitlement " program. And this was covered in Genesis..where God declared...

By the sweat of thy brow shalt thou eat bread."

Your point about God not having your best interest in mind is valid. In that we are in agreement.

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Postby at1with0 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:23 pm

Faith is suffering.
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